. >> how about nick gillespie? >> nick gillespie is an english ph.d. who lives in oxford, owe other, where his wife who is an english ph.d. is a professor at miami university. he is, you know, bright young journalist who -- he has his ph.d. but pursued a journalistic career and he -- he has been at "reason" inform about four years, five years. >> your other senior editor is jacob sol only. >> -- solemn. >> he lives in new york. he is a journalist by background. he worked for newspapers before coming to "reason." and has been actually with us since i became editor in 1989. with a brief detour to national review. and to write a book called "for your own good" which is about the anti-tobacco movement and he's a syndicated columnist. >> who is bob poole? >> bob poole is the president of reason foundation. he is an m.i.t. trained engineer who is known in the privatization world as one of the godfathers of that notion. he actually coined the term adapting a term from peter drucker. and he does a lot of research in transportation and infrastructure these days

victory for the american people and what does it mean for you to discuss this i was joined by nick gillespie editor in chief of reason dot com and the co-author of the declaration of independence how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong with america. i think you're absolutely right this is a huge win for barack obama and it's not necessarily a crushing defeat for the republicans or for mitt romney or for opponents of obamacare but it's not a great day. but for the american people i think you know there are reasons not to go not to be happy about this and the first is you know that the supreme court essentially said there are no limits to what government can make you do or not do they didn't use the commerce clause as before think about they relied on the taxing power but that's troubling the second thing is is that you know from a financial point of view and you can talk about the politics of and stuff like that but there's no question that obamacare is going to be massively expensive and it's going to be many much more expensive than we were led to believe and then the third reason is

nick gillespie the author of what do you mean it's nonsense. >> they are watching more violence and more. they are doing less of all of those things. when you look at all the data about long term trends of teenagers of high school seniors and people like that, they are having less sex than they used to. they are doing less drugs. they are committing less crime than they did in the early 90s. they are not acting out like that. more power to them. they seem to be getting the idea you can watch the stuff rather than enact it in life. >> john: predictions were horrifying and convincing. video games, we're teaching kids to kill. >> more people having a voice and choice when it comes to cultural offerings and lifestyle offerings for america's decline. what it means that more people at more levels are free to pursue what they find to be what they want to do, whether it's watching the kardashians or watching the hunger games. it's funny, when we talk about decline, i can remember when i was kid, snyder of twisted sister they wanted to ban his record, pmrc. it's parents research center an attempt

mean for you and what are the true cost to our system to discuss this i was joined earlier by nick gillespie editor in chief of reason dot com and the co-author of the declaration of independence how libertarian politics can fix what's wrong with america. emergency room care for instance is something like two percent of all health care spending so it's not it's not a huge amount and it's simply a fiction to say that people who are denied regular health insurance don't go to checkups and then they end up with a new emergency room and they have major problems it's just not that big a problem in terms of the pricing of health care but you know if you stand on the margin say room visits are better than people who aren't insured but it is but it is overall it's only two percent of all dollars spent on health care in a given year so let's say you get rid of that you've taken things down from one hundred cents to ninety eight cents it's not a big savings us why shouldn't we force everybody to have insurance and there's a there's a bunch of reasons first off is that you know health care is not somet

nick gillespie the author of what do you mean it's nonsense. >> they are watching more violence and morethey are doing less of all of those things. when you look at all the data about long term trends of teenagers of high school seniors and people like that, they are having less sex than they used to. they are doing less drugs. they are committing less crime than they did in the early 90s. they are not acting out like that. more power to them. they seem to be getting the idea you can watch the stuff rather than enact it in life. >> john: predictions were horrifying and convincing. video games, we're teaching kids to kill. >> more people having a voice and choice when it comes to cultural offerings and lifestyle offerings for america's decline. what it means that more people at more levels are free to pursue what they find to be what they want to do, whether it's watching the kardashians or watching the hunger games. it's funny, when we talk about decline, i can remember when i was kid, snyder of twisted sister they wanted to ban his record, pmrc. it's parents research center an attempt b

nick gillespie is editor-in-chef of reason tv and reason.com. ben smith is buzz feed editor in chief. roland martin is political analyst at cnn. erick erickson is also. but also the editor of red state.com. great to have you with us. ben, let me start with you. obviously, quick to have victory laps going on both sides. republicans are trying to say, oh, look the supreme court gets you off, obama, only because you're raising taxes on the middle class. will that stick? >> no, this isn't an issue mitt romney can fight and win. he passed a very similar law in massachusetts. i think both he and the president are going to want to stop talking about this after the holiday weekend. the winner is john roberts. who really set up the court and set up himself for this much increased stature. i think the political campaign is going to move away from this fast. >> erick, it may be that roberts was the only real winner today. >> oh, i think roberts was probably the only real winner today. the republicans are going to make the democrats own this. let's not forg

and christian, take a microphone up to nick gillespie. >> on the pakistani sector issue, i met congressman paul. he is very honest to be a congressman, how can imagine to be president of you as you the united states? [laughter] he doesn't want involvement in countries like iraq and afghanistan. does he understand that there are so many jobs that are created because of involvement in those countries? is the user very honest, but they are very simple. thank you. >> well, anytime government lose money around for a purpose, they are creating a job. paying someone to do something. ron paul learned his economics from henry hazlitt. that doesn't mean if the government stops moving money around, there will be no jobs. it means that it will reflect what people actually want. if the government is not moving money around, the jobs that are created reflect what people actually want to do with their wealth, not the weird, imperial power games that washington chooses to do with their wealth. of course, there are going to be adjustments, but it will be an adjustment that will be in a world that is richer