. >> joining me now, two-time pulitzer prize winning columnist, nick kristof. you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> what we saw is a brilliantly effective appearance for the president in his reelection campaign, which is, people should remember, underway. not that he was intending it to be that, but he has clearly isolated the republican party now as the party that is more interested in protecting the tax code and reducing it, especially at the top end, than in deficit reduction. the issue they like to claim is their big concern, we've really seen it isn't. it's really protecting the tax code for the rich. >> i think that, indeed, you're right, an awful lot of what is motivating republicans is the notion of starving the beast. this is the chance to just make sure there's no more revenue coming into government, but i also think that there are a certain number of republicans who really are concerned about debt and that, as a result, they may be willing to drive the whole nation over the cliff in terms of preventing the debt ceiling of being raised and the great