as well as nick kristof for the "new york times." nick, starting with you. the president saying, it looks bad, maybe it will get better overtime. >> yes, we'll see. the problem is that trump hasn't -- you mentioned he talk about skepticism about intelligence. he's gone beyond that. he suggesting that they had bizarre purpose in delaying -- >> they are out to get him. >> out to get him manipulating intelligence of the we want a president skeptical but we don't want a commander in chief who is disparaging those folks representing the cia. i think it's not just folks in the intelligence community, it's the folks at state through out justice department, throughout the government who see this as a test as whether commander in chief can accept but information and due that do that in a reasonable way. >> about the people he going to work with in washington, but it is extreme public and inappropriate the way he as persecuted those issues if you want to call them, he has prior to getting the job. he is not president yet. >> i really there was early tension between pr

writing about, so you don't write about the same thing and with some than others to coordinate, nick kristof is my partner on the page. he is great about it. the other day, for instance i was going to write about the press conference and nick says he is going to write about the press conference, then he came in, not doing it because there's a big breakthrough in my work on anti-child sex trafficking and i will do that and i say this all the time, that is the great thing, he is perfectly aware, more aware than anyone in the world if he goes to the sedated risks his life and almost killed and he is buried between 2 weeks and writes about women, children dying, he won't get as much traction and we all know now how many clicks we get for every story, doesn't get nearly as much, to falls out of bed and writes donald trump is a big weenie, really terrible but he does it anyway because he believes in the mission so much but that was just day and nick made it as we have researchers who fact check for us which is the most glorious blessing in the history of the world. any errors in the column no matt

. >> nick kristof. nice to see you. >> today did the reporters get information and did the press secretary supply it? >> the tone was better. sean spicer tried hard to come across as genial. but while the tone was better and he was forthcoming. at end of the day he said it was unquestionable that the audience at the inauguration was getter than it was before. that is wrong. you can add the tv numbers, the wash post counts he comes in fifth. when you speak from the white house podium says things that are unquestionable, is wrong. >> i was thinking about you watching this, you have covered drops and refugee camps you can seen people eat bugs and leaves, we have seen wars. we are back here bickering about crowd sizes, what do you think about this. >> boy, i think there's a general recognition within the trump administration. this was not a sensible fight to have. and i don't think it was one that spicer picked. they tried to move in a new direction. i trout it was troubling that the sean was again trying t

. >> put nick kristof's quote up.want our children and world to admire our president and that is where obama is strongest and trump weakest and goes on to say be more appreciative of first family set impeccable standard for all the world. that's high standard. can the trump administration hold it? >> no. its hard to set that standard. in my mind like dwight eisenhower, almost unimpeachable, governed with such honesty and integrity and leaving with 60% we keep talking about and growing reputation and legacy of eight scandal-free years will look harder in history. already looking at bog of what will happen in the first days of the donald trump presidency. when you rank on ethical standards barack obama is highest, up with some of the great american leaders. >> and you look -- i don't know if it's stage craft or crafted, but the barack obama image, and no scandals, look at picture first lady tweeted today looking out south lawn at monument and consider president-elect trump writing inaugural address at desk at mar-a-lago

. >> and talk about when they had more power, democrats, because there's a showdown, nick kristof looming on obama care, the republicans want to repeal and replace and thousands of people will lose health insurance. >> not so much that the republicans want to repeal and replace but seem to want to act now to repeal and then have that be effective in 2019 or 2020 and then not replace right away. breaks down the intricate architecture that depends on all these pieces being together. 22 million people have gained health insurance. health insurance prolongs lives. if you have health insurance your mortality rate drops 20 to 40%. idea of tear down the roof today and replace with unknown thing in a few years, even republican policy wonks are just horrified at this. >> because what do they say, obamacare which was romney care before that which was hillary clinton care before that. >> and clearly a lot of elements of obamacare deeply unpopular and overall it is but areas that are popular. parts that are pomular are only possible because of the unpopular parts like the mandate. >> donald trump has

. >> and talk about when they had more power, democrats, because there's a showdown, nick kristof loomingn washington on obamacare. we know the republicans want to repeal and replace it. 20 million people stand to lose their health insurance. do republicans want to own that at the beginning of donald trump's term? >> not so much that the republicans want to repeal and replace but it seems what they want to do is repeal and delay. so act now to repeal obamacare and have that be effective in 2019, 2020. and that breaks down the very intricate architecture that depends on all these pieces being together. 22 million people have gained health care. health insurance. health insurance prolongs lives. if you have health insurance your mortality rate drops 20 to 40%. and the idea that you're going to down the roof today and replace it with some unknown thing in a few years, even republican policy wonks are just horrified at this. >> because what do they say, obamacare which was romney care before that which was hillary clinton care before that. >> that's right. clearly a lot of elements of ob cair