you have this beer here leeson lager that's named after nick leeson. tell us about it? >> yeah this is the beer that they bottled after -- just after the scandal broke and it's labeled as the most expensive beer in the world. probably $2 billion worth. >> and i also note that it's 88888 reserve. can you tell us about the significance of that? >> that's a chinese lucky number. but for baring's it wasn't so lucky. >> but also the name of the account he had as well to hide his -- >> because of the chinese obsession with 8888 so he used that to move things i suppose. >> we do hear from him some crisp of the way banks work. do you think he has a point? >> he certainly has -- because at that time [ inaudible ] and with no limits and all that nobody looks at your limits and they just let things get away slip away. i guess they all trusted him. i mean he was a fun-loving guy. he was easy going. so it gives them a false sense of security. >> do you have any sympathy for him, 20 years after the fact? >> i mean, if his supervisors had better control of him, he ha