we'll see if he's empowered nick short and mulvaney.s he willing to undercut staff and empower them. if they get close to a deal, can they say yes or do they have to go back to the president. >> they've tried to take "the x-factor" out of the equation. the president has inability to be blged by his aides. i'll be watching if they can do that and deal without the president actually being present. >> turn it over to wolf blitzer. thank you all for this great discussion. thank you for watching "inside politics." >> wolf blitzer is up after a quick break. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. >>> hello, i'm w

nick mulvaney, thank you. so for joining us. >> thanks. >> let's bring in our panel.resident just tweeted excellent preliminary meeting with senator schumer. and you just heard they're get go closer and closer. >> i think there's a huge difference between now, 5:36 eastern time, and just three, four hours ago where the whole dialogue was in public, everybody blaming the other, trying to come up with a better hashtag term for twitter so it would be the schumer shutdown or a trump shutdown that would be trending and that would catch on. this is what is supposed to happen. it is not supposed to happen with six hours left. it is supposed to happen when the congress and the white house, but the congress mostly is supposed to do their jobs. we'll see. we'll see if they can get something done. i think the strong indication you flared the omb director is that they don't necessarily fear the 6:00, the six-hour deadline tonight. technically there would be a shutdown on their watch. in terms of the practical effect, it probably wouldn't happen until monday. >> six and a half hou

who you say budget director nick mulvaney accused chuck schumer of not agreeing to the president's request for wall funding on friday and he said mulvaney was out of the loop. >> chuck schumer had the gall to say to the president, i'm giving you everything you asked for and when pressed admitted that was not the case. at what point does it become profitable to work with something like that? mr. schumer is going to have to up his game and be a little more honest with the president of the united states. >> nick mulvaney was not in the room. he does not know the truth. i do. >> how much did you offer the president? >> i'm not giving you a number. he put a number on the table and we took it. >> it's appropriating the money that makes a difference and that's one of the things no one has pressed mr. schumer on. he wants to authorize the wall to be built, but doesn't want to authorize the money to get it built. >> the president campaigned on the wall, even though he said it would be paid for by mexico. and demands the. for the sake of compromise, for the sake of coming together, i offered it, des

but we'll see the attempt at the bipartisan outreach begin tomorrow when the onb director nick mulvaney is going to sit down with congressional leaders, democrats and republicans and try to tackle some of those big issues you just talked about. the government's going to run out of money in about three weeks. so at the top of the list, how to overt a government shutdown. and also the thorniest issue, immigration. democrats want to deal with the dreamers issue. president trump showing a potential willingness to work with them, but he wants funding for his border wall. of course, the big question is, will democrats work with the president. so far they haven't really shown a willingness to do so. and as you said, hallie, this is 2018. so those midterm elections are looming. there are other big issues they want to address, everything from welfare reform to infrastructure reform. that is something the democrats want to get done. but again, will this partisan gridlock break? that's the big question. and republicans have one less vote in the senate now, hallie. >> kristen, i want to stick to th

nick mulvaney is saying a shutdown this time is less severe than last time. they said that obama administration weaponized the government shutdown and they're going to do a much more moderated version of a government shutdown by forcing government employees to show up for work without being paid. they'll be able to keep a lot of the essential government services open even though that will be a sacrifice for those thousands and thousands of workers and members of the military who won't be getting an immediate paycheck, carl >> eamon, i think it is short making the point that there is not daca bill stechtext specifi, but democrats are saying they want to avoid a shutdown what would democrats say to that what do they want that would really end this shutdown discussion in the shorter term >> what democrats said is they want a long term daca fix. they don't want a short term extension or anything. they want a resolution to this and presumably they would argue that you could do that in relatively short order in terms of all the different legislative proposals hamme

. >>> nick mulvaney can temporarily conserve as director of the consumer protection bureau.t's a win for the president and the white house which now controls the nation's financial watchdog agency. judge thomas kelly denying a request for a preliminary injunction filed by the cfpb's deputy director, who was appointed by richard cordray when he resigned to run for governor of ohio. mulvaney will hold down both jobs for the time being. >> and a proud irish american as you can see from that, wearing his irish pride. >>> the bid of nafta sent wall street tumbling, but the ford ceo said the deal needs an update and that the u.s. is taking the right approach. cnn money stream is next. invisio others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have

. >> it's interesting, my colleague chris cuomo trying to get the specifics out of nick mulvaney, andt, i wouldn't give it, either, unless the president says, we have a deal and i'll stick to it, although he's been fungible in the last few weeks. but is this a win? the reason the shutdown ended so quick sl becauly is because thet stayed out of it and let us deal with it. >> he definitely believes it's a win. for democrats it was more of a letdown than a shutdown here. for trump, i understand he stayed kwi tquiet over the week. he skipped his own party down in palm beach. he barely came out of the residence on saturday. he didn't come out in the public at all. i would like to see a comparison to how that compared with president obama's behavior during the 2013 shutdown. i think we know that obama was probably less active on twitter, but obama did the same thing and put it on congress. i think that -- i wouldn't quite characterize it as being sidelined, but, you know, carrying out a strategy here that ultimately worked. the shutdown is over, it was only through the weekend. and now he's

. >> listen to what the white house budget director, former congressman nick mulvaney said earlier today as far as the d.r.e.a.m.ers, the negotiations, where the president stands now. listen to this. >> we want a big deal that solves the reason that we have a daca problem in the first place. if you simply gave amnesty, whatever you want to call it, to the folks here but don't solve border security, then you're simply delaying another daca problem 10 or 15 years from now. >> who gets to stay? how do you you decide? >> it depends. what do we get for a border wall? >> what are the democrats willing to offer to the president to help those 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers to be able to stay here in the united states? >> if we go back to that 2013 bill which had virtually all the democrats, we had a support bill in there. we don't want to see money wasted on a wall that doesn't stop drugs and doesn't stop people, but this is a negotiation to be had. we're willing to meet the president partway here. but he's got to be engaged and he's got to be determined to take on the issue of the unfair treatment of me

it's up to the administration to determine how -- what is essential, and i have confidence that nick mulvaneyresident trump would prioritize funding our troops. unlike the previous administration, he spent extra money 230 block world war ii from going to the war memorial. you won't see any of that nonsense under this administration. >> you're confident your troops will be paid, obviously hundreds of thousands of people who lose their paycheck tomorrow night at midnight. >> payday is january 30th. my confidence is we'll get a better range of options by saying no to the current bad option. >> some of your fellow republicans believe you are being obstructionists. here is adam kins ling. >> we're hearing the plan. our friends at the freedom club decided they want to oppose it. the freedom club, they're not the ones advocating for robust military spending. many of them are fans of sequester which i am not. >> you heard what he said. he believes you're hanging you hat on this, but it's not genuine because in the past the freedom caucus wanted the sequester which cut spending. >> i wasn't here for t

no one except nick mulvaney said it would be cool, he used that word. we are united here behind our troops, our military. they deserve pay. our government workers. the people who need to appeal social security rulings or service from the irs. we're all united and that's why we're working hard here in the capitol to try to reach a solution on a bipartisan basis. >> okay, but how long are democrats willing to hold their position? no daca, no deal and therefore, no end of shutdown. >> on daca, there is also bipartisan incentives that there's a moral obligation. america made a promise to these young people, the dreamers, who have come here, 800,000 of them with their parents, no choice of their own and providing them a path to citizenship. we have made this extra step toward compromise by putting ton table full funding. for the wall. even though the president promised the mexicans would pay for it. even though it may be excessively costly and in fact ineffective. we've said if it takes a wall, put it on the table, but what would it take to reach an agreemen

earlier today, you had several surrogates for the president, including the director of the omb, nick mulvaney on several talk shows saying the two sides were still very far apart, leaving open the government to reopen and daca and ending the chain immigration, which is a sponsoring of legal immigrants of their close family members. here he is talking to the state earlier. >> it's important to open the government tonight. they're talking about a massive spending bill with a lot of other things added to it. that's not going to get done between now and tomorrow morning, now and next friday. so the government needs to reopen the government tonight or tomorrow, then we can start talking about those big issues. >> mulvaney also addressed the idea of going with the nuclear option and changing senate rules, adjusting them from having to go from 60 votes to getting a budget passed with a simple majority of 21. he defended the president's position that that's something senators should explore, though we have heard from key senators like mitch mcconnell and john thune today saying that likely wouldn't b

but other surrogates for the president including nick mulvaney have argued that may need to happen in order to end this shutdown, ana. >> of course there were republicans who voted with democrats to not support that short-term spending bill. so even if there had been just the rule of republicans to get this passed, it still wouldn't have passed at least last friday night. joining us now a democratic senator. senator, we know there is a vote scheduled at 1:00 a.m. do you expect a vote before then? >> well, we've heard rumors that there might be. because on whether some agreement gets reached, really the key here is that in addressing these various issues that haven't been addressed and that includes our community health centers and funding the opioid epidemic that's killing more people than car crashes. it includes treating right our illegal immigrants, our d.r.e.a.m.ers who have had the rug pulled out from under them. the goal is to have these things discussed and treated in a way that it actually gets to the oval office. >> so if there's a vote at 1:00 a.m. or before then, how do you

over posters, mike emanuel from capitol hill, thank you joining me white house budget she have nick mulvaney in charge of glementing the government shutdown director welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> describe the extent of the shutdown, in terms of personnel and programs. >> sure, as of yesterday, federal agencies started sending out furlough notices there is three categories of employees those who will come to work on monday, were those will not come to work monday and actually a smaller group will come to work on monday for four hours to help shut things down leave as well went out ed, and over the course of the couple days, we will start to see agencies trying to implement shutdown plans which is going to be different than 201 as we try and work to keep more agencies open in fact i talked to the president late i guess friday night he said work hard keep as many folks at work keep as many agencies open as we can, so that is the shutdown plan that we are implementing. >> where will we see the effects first, regular americans see effects where the biggest effects. >> the effects won't

kelly, also some senior aides, legislative director mark short, director of management and budget nick mulvaney, they're headed to the hill today to work this issue. the question is what is it going to take to get democrats and republicans on board. there are still no answers even from the white house here despite the optimism about what it will take to get a deal through at this late hour. john and poppy? >> abby phillip, thank you very much. as john said, the president is going to wait for his vitamin d in florida until they can get something done. with us is our panel, errol louis, and molly ball, cnn political analyst. nice to have you here. the word from phil mattingly, from an aide, it's going to get worse before it gets better. how much worse is it going to get before shutdown? what happens here, celina? who do you think blinks at this point. you look at the polling and there's risk equally spread for democrats and republicans in this one? >> absolutely. i think that both parties face a problem. i don't know how permanent the problem is. on the one hand, the republicane he majority in th

nick mulvaney was on here and the president echoed his own statement that i'm going to give on daca onlys much as i get in rern. there's no such thing as calibrated compassion. >> i met with him two days ago, sat in his office. myself and doug jones sat with the president. i can tell you he believes these children need a pathway forward. there might be people around him that aren't quite as sympathetic as he is. my gut tells me the president wants to get this done. i'm willing to continue to keep working with limb in a bipartisan way, be an honest broker, tell him what i think we work and won't work. reneed to get past this. the rhetoric is what it is. the president is going to say what he's going to say. that doesn't upset me as long as we have a final product and a pathway forward. we can do this. we're going to continue to keep working. the common sense coalition is going to stay together. we're going to see if we can work this thing out. we have a hard deadline. march 5th these kids start moving out technically if we don't do something. february 8th the government shuts down again if

. >> i spoke with nick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget.t you to listen carefully to what he said to me. >> probably the only way you could avoid any shutdown -- again, we're on a weekend, so we get a little bit more flexibility here. the only way to avoid an entire shutdown would probably be for the senate to pass what the house has passed already. >> unlikely the senate is going to pass exactly what the house passed with 230 votes yesterday. >> right. especially if democrats decide it is important for them to have immigration as part of this deal. it looks like that's where they're at right now. i think at the heart of this really is a fundamental political question. do democrats believe this is an important enough issue for their base that they would shut down the government. and many democrats, the answer is yes right now. i think democrats are probably also looking at what happened during the government shutdown in 2013. the polling after that showed that most americans blamed republicans for the shutdown. but then in 2013 republicans

. >> a short time ago, we learned that omb director nick mulvaney, legislative affairs director markhort, meeting with congressional leaders tomorrow on the hill to talk about budget caps. what are we expecting to come from this meeting? >> those budget caps, that's kind of the language we use on the hill to talk about that budget deal. so they know they need to spend more money on defense. they need to figure out how to balance that more correctly. that's what they were trying to do back in the winter where they put off government funding for a couple weeks and it was supposed to give them time to negotiate a deal. democrats will say basically republicans punted the ball because they wanted to get tax reform. there will be some hope now this will be the central focus. congress has gotten into the habit of governing by crisis deadline and that's what you've seen with these kind of continuing resolutions that set date after date and we all talk about a government shutdown in a handful of weeks. the new deadline is january 19th. 18th, the funding runs out. they're hoping to get somethi

where are we well we're kind of at a standoff and what you see there with nick nick mulvaney basically he's trying to move the goalposts he's trying to say well if the government shuts down at midnight it's not actually a shutdown because basically as long as we have everybody back in the office by monday we're fine so the question is right now how far are the republicans going to go it doesn't appear that the democrats are going to cave on their core demand that they either do a five day continuing resolution which a lot of republicans don't like or they do a longer term one with protection for those illegal immigrants who were brought to the country as children so basically it's a standoff in the hours are ticking by and people are getting food delivered to the capitol and the main players are we believe talking behind the scenes the president president tweeted out that they're making progress it's going to be great on security so what is actually going to mean we don't know we don't know if in a few hours i'm going to be sitting here at the stroke of midnight telling you that the u.

i'm wondering if that's something that nick mulvaney will be part of those discussions?> it's possible it comes up. we are certainly open to having conversations. discussions today is primarily on the budget. once again, we'd like a clean budget bill. so that's not what our focus is going into today's meeting. but our priorities on what we would hope to have in any immigration bill and any daca deal haven't changed chl. they would include securing border with the wall. eliminating the visa lottery program. and ending chain migration. all those are still the same. >> nailed down the data points for stooefeve bannon. you said the last part was in december. was that before or after the special election in alabama? >> i would have to look back. >> would you take us through the drafting of the president said, rather lengthy. did he write it in his own hand or dictate it? >> look, these are the president's words. this he are very clear and not much to add. >> one more thing, it's been reported that he was furious when she's reports first came out about bannon was quoted as say

that is a little bit in contrast to the tone we saw nick mulvaney take at the podium that seemed pretty like they were setting the stage for a brawl. quite frankly, everyone here on the senate side is digging in. mitch mcconnell went to the senate floor to open things up and beak left no room for maneuvering. said the senate democrats were putting themselves in a box and democrats are saying right back at at them, we can't keep quicking the can down the road. they want a deal for daca for those dreamer kids who are here through no fault of their own. but andrea, i have to tell you both sides, nobody seems to be giving an inch. and i just don't see right now how they are going to find a resolution to this. >> they're going to keep talking for sure. garrett haake, you were with lindsey graham when he got a call from dick durbin. i want you to bring us up to date. one person not seen is chuck schumer. you had dick durbin on the floor, mitch mcconnell on the floor. chuck schumer is talking to somebody behind the scenes. somebody is working out or trying to see what the flexibility is. that

director of omb, nick mulvaney is here to discuss the status of the update and then we will take a few questions. >> good morning and good afternoon a. couple of things. walk through a some of how a lams in appropriations, a shutdown works. and keep in mind that the technical term and the legal term is lapse in appropriations so when you saw the notices going out to today, they reference a lapse which is the formal name for the shutdown. early this morning, federal workers got notices from the various agencies whether they were exempt or furloughed employees, so whether you were exempt and you were to come to work today or monday depending on the work schedule, you were furlough and nott to come to work beginning today and into monday and there is another group of people that would show up on monday or up to today and up to four hours in order to close down shop and prepare for the lapse. so those notices went out today. i mentioned yesterday that this shutdown, this lapse would look different than it did in 2013, and we are already seeing evidence of it, and walk you folks through a c

we started this hour with a press conference from the white house with mark short and with nick mulvaneyting it all on democrats. it's kind of interesting, a key republican vote that is not going to vote in favor of the continuing resolution is saying that this problem starts and ends at the white house than we're inside the ten-yard line and the white house can fix that, garrett. >> reporter: yeah, let's be real about this. if there is a shutdown, the real cause -- the big picture long-term cause is a lack of presidential leadership. at the bottom line, if the majority leader, the republican majority leader of the u.s. senate as he said this week doesn't know where the president stands on an issue like immigration, how can anyone else. it's possible that both of these things can be some degree of true at the same time. there will be abultimate immediate cause for a government shutdown that happens at midnight tonight that is different from the bigger overarching cause of why our government is so dysfunctional in this moment in history. >> all right. we're going to continue to cover this

about how to pay for the increases, but that conversation has been entirely upped >> on friday, nick mulvaneyma white house for this shutdown. how fair is that you were there. >> completely unfair. there was a simple rule we followed on every one of the decisions. it's the lawyers and agencies that make the decision there was no central political process in the white house we didn't want to have to make those decisions. we didn't have the legal expertise to do that, which is why lawyers in the agencies made them and if you look at o&b's guidance out on friday, it was word for word what obama's o&b put out in 2013. they are following the same exact laws we did. so i think that is just a nonsensical debate. >> it feels like implementation is different, right? some parks are staying open. a lot of things that shut down during the last shutdown aren't this time up around, right there's a lot of room for interpreting those rules >> certainly the rules aren't black and white. and that is why we didn't want to be making decisions in the white house. we wanted the lawyers and the agencies to be makin

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that's where nick mulvaney joining us, the director of office of management and budget. mr. mulvaney welcome. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> you were pretty optimistic yesterday thinking there would be a deal in 24 hours. are you still optimistic that something could be done before the weekend is over or is this a total standoff? >> well, i'm still optimistic. i'm a republican. by nature i'm optimistic but i'm struggling with the new sort of way to measure the likelihood of a positive outcome here. ordinarily in washington, d.c. what you would see is can we find a bill that enough people support? and that's what's so challenging right now. we have a bill that the democrats actually support. they don't oppose the bill that's in the senate. the democrats in the senate support a cr. they support the extension of the children's health insurance program and they support the delay of the various obama care taxes not the least of which is the cadillac tax. in an ordinary washington, d.c., even in an ordinarily dysfunctional washington, d.c., that would have pass

nick mulvaney goes out and whether he deliberately lies or unknowingly spreads false information, hember. he says, okay. you want the number? here is the number. let's go. so they think they have a deal. chuck schumer goes back and he's thinking, hey, we're going to be able to open the government. then a 32-year-old kid leads him around by the nose and tells him, a 32-year-old. as lindsey graham says, lindsey graham and others have been reporting that a 32-year-old is telling the president of the united states what to do. he gets the minority leader of the senate and himself together. he gives the minority leader a number. the minority leader accepts it and then it's blown up. you can't deal with that white house and the biggest question -- lisp, this government is going to reopen. but i will tell you, and richard hass can probably speak to this more, but the problem is leaders across the world are seeing how weak and pathetic this president can be, how he's one of the weakest presidents. we've had 45 presidents. you would be hard pressed to find one of those 45 presidents ever allow

. >> the political costs and the real costs, nick confessore, let me ask you weigh in on the real costs of this we've heard from mick mulvaneybout what's open and what's not. many more agencies are functioning better than they were back then as a result of fiscal maneuvering they've been able to do. what are the real costs of this shutdown or what will they be as it continues? >> imagine the government is a body dying and decomposing, shutting down, bit by bit. there is an order to it. think of all the things the government does, inspect workplaces, process loan applications, inspect mines, process drilling permits. all these things will start shutting down. the longer this goes on, the worse it gets. >> comment on that analogy. >> government shutdowns are not good but they're not catastrophic, which is why they happen every few years. nick is right that, it gets worse as it goes on. upwards of 75% of people who work for the federal government continue working for the federal shutdown. enormous swaths of functions, including the ones people depend on the most. people continue to get social securitychecks, mediciare doctorcon