. >> sivers is one of many education pioneers who learned through the work of nick ne zb roponte andhe brain works and learns faster when it is presented with a partially completed problem, clear mission to finish it, and a directive to solve it in a group. so whether -- whatever -- however you apply that is in the eye of the practitioner. ultimately once you know how the brain works, you can create higher quality education for a lot less cash and lot more fun and we are breaking it down today with a couple of the pioneers in this world. frank moss and sebastian thrun. google fellow and founder of udacity, high level course online. people confuse a lot of with this is the internet teaching or had is this and that. tell us how it is that what you learned about -- what have we learned about the brain and how is -- our understanding of the brain and at the center of all of this new teaching? >> i think you are totally right. brain learns from being -- trying things out by i have a 4-year-old son experimenting all day. somehow the way they teach in colleges, teach lectures, talking down

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