well, earlier, my colleague nicky campbell spoke to dr nicola ashby, who is the head of professional learning and development and royal college of nursing. she said nhs staff need to be able to see the details of the workforce plan before they can get excited i think we really, really welcome that. we've got our first workforce plan coming out, the first one for 75 years. and that in itself is really, really important to note that. but there is a... hang on a minute. and we need to consider not only that these nurses that have been talking to you previously are training nursing, associates or nursing support workers and are registered nurses. it's notjust about five years�* time. it's about now. it's about how do we retain our staff now? how do we make them feel valued, and how do we ensure that we've got a really good educator and leadership workforce, which is what you were talking about previously, to make sure that those nurses remain really competent, highly skilled to deliver the care? i've been in the nhs for 36 years and i've seen many things come through and i've been an edu

i hope it is lady nicola ashby next time we talk to you., if i may, ithink presence in the area. one more paragraph, if i may, i think it is important. i urge anyone who has information that can help us establish exactly what has happened to approach those offices or contact us immediately. a man and a boy have lost their lives, we must now work together to identify those responsible and remove them from our streets. another tragic stabbing in north london, in islington. back to our discussion on the nhs, more on that on the bbc news website and bbc news channel, of course, and all our outlets throughout the day. james, in taunton? hi. outlets throughout the day. james, in taunton?— in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for havin: in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me _ in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me on _ in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me on the _ in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me on the show. - in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me on the show. it - in taunton? hi, nicky, thanks for having me on the sho