johnny us from paris out to discuss the stories political alice, nicola markovich. mcclurg, thanks so much for joining us here. archie. interesting times are, are having here. now, what was your reaction to this need to achieve those again, still timbers later statement? well, i don't think we should make much out of it. nato is desperate. we're wondering what nato is doing and ukraine does not forget that there is a partnership between ukraine and nato, but in no means has any sort of treaty or which would justify nato's intervention know now or through anglo miracles. i would say recent testimony and also to push ankle ukraine's previous president that the west has been using the means piece agreement to buy time for the ukranian army to be trained funded to receive weapons from nato. and now nato is saying that russia is advancing on, on it's on it's offensive and it's military offensive. this makes no sense. nato fuel, this war does not forget that there was a acquitted time 2014, then they don't train ukrainian army. now the full fledged war is not forget that this war did not st