as we return to our conversation with french journalist, isil hostage nicolas hÉnin. , he was held hostagethe self-proclaimed islamic state for 10 months. i asked him about u.s. journalist james foley, who was beheaded in august 2014, four months after henin was released. when james foley was beheaded, how did you find out? where was he beheaded? >> well, it was -- i recognized the place because these were valleys where i ran when i escaped. i actually ran very close from this place on the night i escaped at the very beginning of my captivity, so i recognized the landscape. and i was, of course, very much shocked, because i did not believe that that would happen. , was still maybe a bit naÏve but we filled ourselves with hope, with desperate hope, during these months of captivity. we had to hope because if you stop hoping, then you have no reason to survive. so that was maybe a bit naive to believe that, yes, for some of us, it may be a bit more difficult than for others, but that we would eventually, all of us, make it out. and his murder was the evidence that that wasn't true and that ac