it can take me now is nicole anya, who is in munich. he's a political analyst and senior fellow as an unix curiousity conference and he also focuses on transatlantic defense and security. it was sent to europe in policy analysis. thanks so much for your time. the baffled of these is using up a lot of artillery. lots of manpower. can you help us understand why it's so important that you crane holes onto this town and do you think it come up? do you have guy has the symbolic meaning very much like if possible did some time ago. and now it's about proving the point for russia that it can still take cities of territory. and for ukraine, it's about depression, where the whole thing of to you and ministering law officers to the russian side will help them in their defense. i suspect though that addressed them whether to stay and do you have got all to leave it and shot the front lines might have been part of the conflict between generals on those me and presidents and landscape that ended with jim and i was just getting not being in shots. so