and we are joined by professor allante lore from the university of california-davis and nicole eustace who teaches history at the new york university. thank you for being with us. you're here at the conference, the annual meeting, to talk about the war of 1812 and here with us to talk about the war of 1812. let's start, professor eustace, with a look at the country in 1812. what was the population size? >> the u.s. in 1812 was as they would have said at the time a young and rapidly expanding population. the population in 1812 was about 7.2 million people, and it had nearly doubled in the 20 years since the first census in 1790. a little bit less than doubled. so it's a rapidly growing population, and it's a population that is really focused on that as a source of national strength and personal pride. people are focused on having children, raising families, and needing land to farm to support those families. so that was kind of the overall situation in terms of the population. >> professor taylor, you've written a pulitzer prize-winning book about the war of 1812. both of you. you have