back with me, nicole hannah jones.tterson, professor of african-american studies at georgetown university. he's the author of destructive desires, rhythm and blues culture and the politics of racial equality. good to see you again. nicole, thank you for being back with us. nicole, you wrote about reparations and the fact that it's time for american to pay its bill and you offered your view of what reparations look like. can you share that with us? >> yes. so, the piece that i wrote is called what is owed. and it really looks at this idea that for 350 years black americans were legally denied the ability to accumulate wealth and for 250 years the ability to even have an income. and that almost every disparity that we looked that. this country can be related in some ways to the economic status of black americans. black americans and indigenous people have the highest rates of poverty, the lowest wealth. black people have about t$10 of wealth for $100 of wealth that white americans have. i argue that the decision not to m

nicole hannah jones, staff write werer for the "new york times" and creator of the 1619 project, that history of slavery in america for which she was awarded a pulitzer fries. nicole, i couldn't help in one of those pictures that we just showed of john lewis. i couldn't help but notice he was wearing what appeared to be one of your hats. he was wearing a 1619 hat. did you see that? >> yes. so that's not an official "new york times" project hat, but he certainly is evoking that 1619 year, that 400 year legacy and 400 year history, and we have seen that all in the protests over the past few months. this is really an effort to connect what we are seeing today to this ongoing legacy, and i was really proud of that representative lewis, that he was wearing that hat. every member of congress actually received a copy of the 1619 project, and i know that this was a valuable way for us to see not just the prism of his life and struggle but the prism of the struggle to make america a democracy. america a true democracy, which we know was john lewis' lifelong work. >> again, as we're having this

chairman of the republican national committee and msnbc political analyst, elise jordan and nicole hannah jones, pulitzer prize winning, the "new york times" staff writer, the brains and the umph behind the 1619 project. thank you all very much for being here tonight. so i just interviewed ambassador susan rice. i'm going to start right there since we just -- i just said good-bye to her. michael steele, if susan rice were to be the choice of joe biden, what would that do to republicans? does that make her an easy target for them or actually a slippery target for them? >> they'd lose their mind. they would absolutely lose their mind. >> flesh that out. why? >> well, because for a lot of them and this should i think in no way affect the vice president's decision, in fact a lot of women that i've talked to in the last three or four weeks are really high on ambassador rice. so there's a lot of interesting momentum around her potential elevation. but for a lot of republicans, this would be an effort to rehash her time at the u.n., her time in the administration, all sorts of things that they would l

nicole hannah jones and steve schmidt, it's a great pleasure to get to talk to you on this momentous day, thanks a lot. >> thank you, chris. >> ahead, not only did barack obama deliver a stirring defense ofac democracy in his eulogy fo john lewis, he made big news this his speech. we'll show you what happened next. ened next this year, the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's is everywhere. on every sidewalk, track, and trail across this country. all of us are raising funds for one goal: a world without alzheimer's and all other dementia. because this disease isn't waiting, neither are you. take the first step on your walk right now. go to alz dot org slash walk. >>> today at the funeral for congressman john lewis, former president barack obama delivered a eulogy that was a beautiful tribute, moving piece of oratory. it was also something else. after speaking at length about lewis's courage, he talked about enlarging and strengthening democracy by delivering a call for action. >> you want to honor a job? let's revitalize the law he was willing to die for. [ applause ] and,

i'm joined now by nicole hannah jones with the "new york times" magazine. jalani cobb and jonathan la mere, a white house reporter with the associated press. i'm going to you first, jonathan to get the reporting on this. donald trump used the nixon phrase silent majority and talked about what he wants to do. here he is. >> i think we're doing very well in the polls and i think you have a silent majority, the likes of which this country has never seen before. >> you know, so in 2016 there was what you called a shy tory voter. voters that wouldn't tell pollsters that they liked donald trump because they didn't want to be associated with racism because of his antiimmigration rhetoric. do they have some information that there is a shy trump voter in 2020. all of the polls show he is losing even among suburban white voters? >> that's right, joy. first of all, congrats on the new show this week. the campaign does believe that there are voters out there who have not voted in the past and their whole plan this time around is to try to turn them around again as diff

she is partnering with lions gate and nicole hannah jones. the proper pro jerject exams thf slavery. books are also in the works. >> i'm all for education. >>> all right. so it is only july, but hersheys just revealed treats for halloween. is it too soon, friend? >> yes. >> i agree, but i'm all about the treats. >> that is true. it depends on what they are. >>> also, danger at the wheel, a lot of people are hitting the road in rvs. and the concern about first time drivers. and california is mandating face masks to stop the spread and so abc 7 wants to remind you to wear one for you, your loved ones and your >>> keep an eye on the tropics around mexico and baja. you can see that we have hurricane christina that will head west toward hawaii, but eventually it will just be a cluster of thunderstorms that shouldn't cause any abnormal issues in the islands. just want to let you know what was going on. we're keeping an eye on things even if we can't travel to some of those areas. here is a look at friday. a lot like today. and look at sunday, oh, t

disgusting, project called the 1619 project, which was cooked up by a racist staff member, named nicole hannah joneshas $600,000 genius grant and i think she won a pulitzer, historical illiterate and the project is to deny that 1776 is america's birth certificate and 1787 actually its founding. let's take 1776. and say that, no, 1619 is the founding. and the racist al sharpton, the spiritual leader of the "black lives matter" movement, gave that wretched, despick by racist eulogy. he said white america on the necks of black america or black people, for 401 years, guess back to 1619 and the idea is that 20 african slaves were imported into the colony of virginia then. actually they weren't slaves. i get this information from nell painter, very famous princeton -- black princeton historian, leftist herself. this warrant slaves and in fact slavery was illegal in virginia and virginia was not america. it was an english colony. america was 168 years waiting to happen. when 1776 rolled around, for the first anytime 3,000 years where slavery existed in every country, at some time or another, and never deno

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disgusting project called the 1619 project which was cooked up by a racist staff member names nicole hannah jones -- [inaudible] who a amassed a macarthur genius grant, and i think she won a pulitzer. he's a historical illiterate. and the project is to deny 1776 is america's birth certificate, and 1787 actually its founding. let's make 1776 and say that, no, 1619 is the founding. and when the racist al sharpton, the spiritual leader on the black lives matter movement, gave that wretched, despicable, racist eulogy, he said white america, that is me -- [inaudible] black america or black people for 401 years. that goes back to 1619. and the idea that 20 african slaves were brought into the colony of virginia then. well, actually, they weren't slaves. i get this information from mel paymenter who's a very -- painter who's a very much -- [inaudible] pretty much a leftist herself. they weren't slaves. and, in fact, slavery was illegal in virginia. and virginia was not america. it was an english colony -- [inaudible] america was 168 years waiting to happen. when 1776 rolled around, for the first time in

how long are they going to let nicole hannah jones rewrite american history by telling us founded on slavery, how long are they going to let people tell them which movies they can watch, which books they can read, which words they can use? is there going to be passionate is a backlash that will, at some point? from white american particular and i would just like to get each of your thoughts on that. maybe you could start, rafael. >> i think if i were answering that question just based on recent history, you know, specifically like post-1968 pos8 where i think there was a lot of -- sort of gives rise to richard nixon and a lot of what an order politics that animated our approach to crime and a consolation from the 70s to the '90s. would see the answer is yes, i think we can expect the backlash. however, the dynamics on the ground are very different today. i think there is exponentially more pressure being brought to bear on white america in particular that i'm not so sure there's going to be a willingness to fight back, at least very loudly. i'm not convinced the would be a backlash t

how long are they going to let nicole hannah jones rewrite american history by telling us is founded. how long are they going to let people tell them which movies they can watch, which books it can read, which words they can use. is there going to be as their backlash that's gonna come at some point? i would like to get each of your thoughts on that. >> i think if i were answering that question just based on recent history specifically post-1968 where i think there was a lot of remnants of the riots there sort of gave rise to richard nixon and a lot of law and order politics that animated our approach to crime policing and incarceration for the 70s, 80s, 90s, the answer to your question is yes, we can expect a backlash, the dynamics on the ground very different today. i think there's exponentially more pressure being brought to bear on white america in particular. i'm not so sure there's going to be a willingness to fight back at least very loudly. i'm not convinced there will be a backlash this time around, but i think will happen is people very quietly retract from interactions tha

which is still obviously very large majority of the country how long are they going to let nicole hannah jonesrewrite american history by telling us it's founded on slavery how long they tell they let people tell them what movies they can watch, what books they can read, is there to be is a backlash that's gonna come at some point?from white america in particular. i would like to get each of your thoughts on that. maybe you could start, rafael. >> i think of our answering that question just based on recent history specifically post-1968 where i think there was lot of remnants of the riots there just gave rise to richard nixon and a lot of the law and order politics the animated our approach to crime policing and incarceration from the 70s to the 90s.i would say the answer to your question is i think we can expect a backlash, however, i think the dynamics on the ground are just very different today. one thing there is exponentially more pressure being brought to bear on white american in particular are not so sure there's gonna be a willingness to fight back at least very loudly. i'm not convin

i want to bring in nicole hannah jones for a few moments, as well.taff writer for the "new york times" magazine, creator of the world-famous 1619 project. a history of slavery in america, for which she was awarded a pulitzer prize. nicole, john lewis, the son of two sharecroppers, about to lie in state in the capitol rotunda for the next few days. you sat down with him not long ago. you talked about freedom summer, the lunch counter sit-ins. what did he tell you about how he viewed his legacy? >> thank you for having me on today. this has been such a hard last couple of weeks. john lewis was five years older than my father, who was also born on a sharecropper farm in mississippi. i've been thinking about both of them a lot lately. you know, john lewis was not one who wanted to spend a lot of time assessing his legacy. when i talked to him, he really wanted to focus on the work of all of the everyday people who took part in the movement. we tend to remember a handful of names, but it was the everyday citizens who risked their -- not just their lives,

named nicole hannah jones who had a $6000 macarthur genius grant and i think she won the pulitzer . she's a historical illiterate . and the project is to deny that 1776 is america's birth certificate and 1787 actually, it's founded. but let's take 1776 and say that no, 1619 is the founding . and then thought racist out sharpton, the spiritual leader of the black lives matter movement gave that wretched, despicable racist eulogy. he said white america has its knee on the next of black people of black america. for black people. for 401 years. that goes back to 1619. and the idea is that 20 african slaves were imported into the colony of virginia then. they were slaves. and i get this information from nell painter whose a very amos black princeton historian and pretty much a leftist herself. they're not enslaved and in fact slick slavery was illegal in virginia and virginia was an english colony for crying out loud. america was 168 years waiting to happen. and when 1776 rolled around for the first time in 3000 years where slavery existed in every country at some time or another. and wa

thoughts from a member of the house democratic leadership, a civil rights icon, james clyburn and nicole hannah jonesthe fourth of july, i think about when on july 4th, 1776, this country declared the independence with those ma gijestic words, all me are created equal, endowed by the creator with inalienable rights, that one fifth of the population was living in bondage. i think about how a century later frederick douglas would ask what to the negro is the fourth of july. and i think seized by and i think about today we are trying to live up to those majestic ideals. we failed to in 1776 and we're struggling to in 2020. >> july 4th, 2020, is shaping up to be unlike any i have ever experienced before. i often think about growing up in the little town of sumpter, south carolina, starting my school day every day reciting the pledge of allegiance to that flag you see flying in the background. that pledge ends with a tremendous vision of liberty and justice for all. i've thought time and time again over the last six or seven decades i would never live to see a serious pursuit of that vision. i'm beginning

dedicated his entire life to the rights of all americans being able to vote, a man who, as nicole hannah jonesrote, said -- talked about black people have been the perfe perfecters of this democracy in our age, no man fits this bill no more than your friend and my friend john lewis >> one must always remember the reason he became the conscience of the congress is that when john lewis walked into the house of representatives, on his body bore the physical markings of the movement he had been beaten as a freedom writer in 1960 physically beaten. he didn't study the freedom ride he was a freedom rider he was beaten on the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama. and he went and translated into legislation becoming a member of congress he was 11 years younger than martin luther king so he was part of -- he and jesse jackson, they were the younger part of the king movement. and i was 15 years younger than them we became the guys who learned king from john lewis and jackson and them, we were too young to know king. we learned king from them. i was born in the north they were in the south. they had to

defend what you have but the other side of this , brian, is what we hear from the likes of nicole hannah jonesnew york, that property damage and riots that cause it are not violence, but that the act of defending that is violence, and is violence that is predicated on in her view white supremacy which is what she says the second amendment was founded on. keep in mind this is not just some reporter we're talking about. this is not just some bias media individual. this is someone who created the 1619 project that is about to be taught in public schools across america. a falsehood about the founding of america, and that's really what they come from in this perspective. where they feel like people should just bend over become wards and take a knee, they should apologize for their white privilege and that they should let armed rioters just storm right through their house. now look, you could say whatever you want about the mccloskys, you don't have to have an opinion but they're americans and they have the right to defend their property, and their homes and in this case i'm glad there are few peopl

it was written in 2019 by hannah nicole jones.e she is on a recent opera special. >> this is a bad collective, racialized terrorism against black americans no matter their gender and really, no matter their age. it is an enduring legacy. i hope we can use this moment to kind of unprecedented reckoning of ongoing legacy of slavery. >> as you know, laura at this 1619 project has made its way i. these films and documents will amplify the distortions of american history including the implication that slavery and especially racialized or radicalized slavery was uniquely american. it claims that columnist declared the independence from britain to protect slavery. they claimed the constitution recognize slavery as property when the founders explicitly did not. it erases abolition in the colonies. it smears president lincoln and his relationship with douglas. here is the shot. they should have gone to jordan to heal and blumberg to producem house to produce this series because it is a horrific version of american history with slavery as t

and he was the perfecter, as hannah nicole jones said, he was the perfecter along with civil rights heroese made at the founding of this republic, that we as a country did not fulfill. and he, john lewis, along with so many other civil rights heroes throughout the ages, were the ones that said, okay, this is the promise that has been made to us. all men are created equal. with certain inalienable rights. that promise has been given to us. we're going to fulfill it. and that's what john lewis has done. and because of john lewis, and others like john lewis, we stand and our children stand and future generations stand on the shoulders of this giant. >> amen. and there were so many moments over the last two or three days that have almost made you stop and catch your breath because they're so emotional and so heavy. and among them are two days ago when his body crossed the edmund pettus bridge one more time. at the end of that bridge, 55 years later, waiting were alabama state troopers where when he was a 25-year-old in 1965, he was beaten by state troopers. that day on sunday, he was saluted.