i was going to bring us back to where we started, which was nicole holly jones. this is a reporter who reported on the store and use following the story. and he's in north carolina, and this is what he's finding out. we spoke to him a little bit earlier about the shilling effect of what has happened to nicole, how to jose, even though i don't think this story is over yet, they haven't listen to joe. the board of trustees is a politically appointed body members of the board. have said that this was political, that it came as a result of conservative discomfort with her journalism, which deals with american history and race. and it's already having a chilling effect. we've seen professors who are considering coming to you and see chapel hill say that they will not be coming and citing this a specific reason why we've seen professors who are already there, say publicly that they're looking at leaving. so they effect israel and we're already seeing this looking holton in recent past prominent black chemist turns down university of north carolina in light of controver

holly jones has offers from at least 6 other institutions. and those positions have 10. yeah. okay, let's imagine. so one, the one life meets. if you, while a know you nicole how to jones, what would you do that? you know i, i would absolutely go to another university. the wound that a tenure denial create. even if it's ultimately reverse is too deep. ha robin. what would you do? i would as well, i understand you have personal ties to you and see and really have wanted to that mom. i love not robin out my mouth that would you leave. all right, martha. what would you take? well, i've not been some far from that, and i will say that in my life on occasion, i have chosen to stay and to fight. yeah. okay. i am somebody who i turned to live right in the, in the critical importance of universities. and while nicole handed you, john, she knew precisely what she needs to do for her. so i would say that, you know, many of us choose to stay and fight because we are deeply invested in preserving some integrity in institutions that do such important work. thank you. in the world, thank you, robbing. thank you. marlena for shining a light on what do you like to be a bl

nicole holly jones, they're jealous. he is really well known for writing about race and inequality. may be right now, she's caught up in a situation that involves racism and inequality in the academic world. lets meet the guests and find out hello to marfa. hello robin, holly molina, get to see or 3. if you martha. introduce yourself to stream audience. good evening . i'm martha jones. i teach history in baltimore, maryland at johns hopkins university. get to have you. hello, robin tossed emollient. who you all what you do? hi everyone, i'm robin archery. i teach both. the ology was when university and connecticut. nice to have you. marlena introduce yourself to audi. it's hello everybody. my name is marlena doubt and i'm a professor of african diaspora studies at the university of virginia in charlottesville. get to have you with us here on the stream. alright, so looking at my laptop, the route we standing solidarity with nicole had a jose, i'm just going to scoot up here. if you look very carefully, you will see martha as jones martha, why did you sign onto this? i knew that this