from these very upsetting things that were going on and there you could watch paris hilton and nicole richieo focus. and suddenly it was like me, me, me, me, and i think we saw people getting rewarded for that endlessly in reality television. so if you were a millennial at that time, you were being weaned on this stuff. you were being groomed watching this stuff in your adolescence. - we watched a lot of reality shows and a lot of them, okay, maybe most of them were guilty pleasures at best. - not to check 'cause i'm a surfer, i say bummer, i don't care if my ride is kind of whack. - [kristen] but it wasn't all trash. - i kind of lost the shape. - does it need to be full length? - no, but i just, i've done all this work on it. - i know, but sometimes you have to let it go. i mean, i'll put project runway and top chef into the category of shows that have real integrity and seriousness of purpose. (upbeat music) - [kristen] the example that took off the most was american idol. - when you entered this competition, did you really believe that you could become your standing on now the american id