. >> now, also joining in the conversation is jameel smith, a senior writer for rolling stone magazine. i call nicole historian because if you look at the project she did, it is historic in a project, therefore i associate her work and elevate her title, whether she's comfortable with that title or not. jamelle, you see there is legislation in the house of representatives, justice and policing act. there's counter legislation that tim scott and the republicans are preparing in the senate. we are still marching all over the country, civil rights groups, black lives matter group, all of it really under the banner of black lives matter, and we have the big national march august 28th. all of this really will be about what we can really change that will matter ten years from now, and that is whether or not we change policing, which will take changing of laws and changing of police policies locally and nationally. as we move forward and i think your cover story examines a lot of it and examines a lot of those that gave actual to this, but as we move forward, will, in your mind, it be judged in the long run