in his exclusive interview with nicole wallace on thursday, biden addressed the disturbing pattern. > overruling roe versus wade, take a look at the decisions made, take a look at how it's ruled on a number of issues that are have been precedent for 50, 60 years sometimes. they crossed the board. the vast majority of american people don't agree with a lot of the decisions scotus is making. >> so, how will the biden administration move forward on its agenda in the face of a court determined to stall it? joining me now to discuss and her first interview as the president's domestic policy adviser is neera tanden. welcome to you, neera. let's start -- how is the administration now shifting its strategy especially when it comes to navigating that diminished moral, if you will, in the wake of these decisions? >> well, the president spoke directly to this. he strongly disagreed with those decisions, as he pointed out on thursday. these decisions are weak, affirmative action, other issues, i really without any precedent. these decisions are the ones in which the supreme court itself is refuti

he's been a pit bull on all sorts of msnbc shows or stephanie ruhle or nicole wallace's show. >> theyidn't interviewed anybody, and there is no cameras. >> beverly, your low is the lady of the view saying twitter is spreading misinformation. what about that? >> yeah, it is. >> i join too because it is not owned by elon musk and that's itself is enough for me to join. >> this thread is connected to instagram. >> instagram is a happy place. >> sorry, beverly, go ahead. they are my low us because of their lack of self awareness. yes, they do that on their show on a daily basis. it seems like the worst thing in their mind that elon musk did was to open up to dialogue and allow themselves. >> >> as you look at the statue of liberty today. as an american, you regarded as a simple art of our country. >> >> i think it is both. i think it is an important symbol of our country. it is simple of the way freedom is offered. >> curtis, your thoughts? >> i was told by jim acosta that the statue of liberty is at the base of it is on peer -- he started out working for jimmy carter back in the day. bet

which he explained to msnbc nicole wallace during a live interview on thursday. >> you said this court is not normal. what did you mean? >> what i meant by that is, starting -- basic rights and basic decisions in recent history. that is what i meant by not normal. it has gone out of its way to, for example, take the overruling of roe v. wade, take the decision today, take a look at how it is ruled on a number of issues that have been precedent for 50, 60 years sometimes. that is what i meant by not normal. >> let's get into all of this, joining me now is judith brown, executive director of the advancement project, also with us, jeanne cigarettes, a professor at harvard law school and contributing writer for the new yorker. welcome to you both, jeanne, let's begin with you, you published a piece in the new yorker this week called after affirmative action ends and you wrote quote, colleges and universities will have to admit students using only methods that are race neutral. they will not be allowed to consciously consider any applicants race. but institutions that have long viewed soon

president biden responded to this ruling during an interview with msnbc's nicole wallace on thursday, current court quote, not normal. take a listen. >> you said this court is not normal. what did you mean? >> what i meant by that is it's time to unravel basic rights and basic to -- than any court in recent history. and that's what i meant by not normal. >> how do these decisions impact black voters who are disproportionately affected by this series of rulings? are they more energized, or demoralized, michael? >> that's an interesting question. when you first say that, i do agree with doug brandon in terms of this particular supreme court that acts like a -- as it relates to the election and black voters, it would be very easy for those people to feel despair as it relates to their engagement in politics and whether they should actually care. but i think this is a perfect opportunity for all of us to stand up and be more engaged, because elections matter. and if we're going to turn this court around, we all have to be engaged. it's gotta be a whole -- all hands on deck effort. and so

. >> are you satisfied with what he said there to nicole wallace?tand the challenges with expansion. i was just watching the fdr documentary, and he had a challenge with that. so i understand that challenge. that's why i think term limits is a common sense proposal that the president could adopt, that his own commission has recommended, and that many americans would say we should do. we've done it in the states. >> any chance for a republican co-sponsor? >> we're trying on it. look, the republicans have co-sponsored legislation when it comes to congressional and senate term limits. i've actually been a co-sponsor of that. i guess my question is if you're for term limits for congress members and senators, why not term limits for the supreme court who are not elected and who have the least accountability. >> that's a good question. congressman, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> we have more news ahead after a quick break. stay with us. and smooths dry skin. with 7 moisturizers and 3 vitamins, you can pay more but you can't get

here's what he told my colleague nicolle wallace last week. >> if we start the process of trying to expand court, we're going to politicize it maybe forever in a way that is not healthy. >> that you can't get back. >> that you can't get back. >> here to discuss is basil smikle, former director of the new york party. do you think that most people can get behind term limits as opposed to expansion of the court? >> well, that's where the difficulty is. i think voters want some kind of reform, not just because of the recent decisions but because of the concerns around ethics. something needs to get done. the question is, what's the best way forward. president biden had his own commission established to look at this, and they weren't even tasked with specific recommendations and there was concern, not just concern, there was some discrepancy as to how to move forward. these are some of the best legal minds in the country. it's not an easy fix. that's one problem. the second problem is biden himself is a bit of an institutionalist. if you think about his language around the filibuster, it's not

it is 4:00 in new york, i'm in today for nicolle wallace.team of investigators as you might expect have so far move with relative secrecy. there are no daily press conference, no tweets or fan fair surrounding significant developments so it does take a few trained ears to the ground and the american public's attention to recognize how unrelentless the investigation has surged forward. that is as clear as ever this afternoon. the "wall street journal" is reporting smith's team has taken ow

or on a different day, as nicole wallace would say, on earth to, he might also say that he actually declassified them all. and then he lives in that world, i think, in order to create what he thinks is going to be a defense. i can't have committed a crime when i was so openly out there saying these things. but is not how the law works. i think that that's going to fail in this case, if there is an indictment brought and if that is what he tries. he is proportional black of knowledge that he last is not going to be a legal defense. >> let me follow up with you about timing, mary, because you worked with the department of justice. there is this sense, and i've heard people, andrew weissmann and others, who seem to think that jack smith would want to move on indictments, were there to be any, before fani willis. we have a pretty decent sense now that the grand jury's empaneled that will be, if it happens, we don't know, in the next few weeks. what do you think of that? >> there are two things that are really urging haste for jack smith. one has nothing to do with fani willis. one is that if there i

. >> it was a fantastic interview by nicolle wallace. about president biden's continued resistance to expanding the court, even in the face of new revelations about court corruption? >> the politicization of the court happened so long ago that joe biden probably doesn't even remember it, all right? because that horse left the barn in 2000 in bush v. gore. that was the fulcrum point for the politicization of the court. no, you're never getting it back. the toothpaste is out of the tube. the question is are you going to clean it up? are you going to do something about the toothpaste out of the tube or you're just going to leave it there like that's part of the art in your bathroom now? that's the situation we're in. even if you are legitimately worried about the politicization of the court, can't you do something about the corruption of the court? can't you care about that? can't you do something to stop the ethics violations that are happening apparently daily coming out of this alleged highest court in the land? clarence thomas is out he

i'm ayman mohyeldin in for nicolle wallace.sat down with nicolle on this program, he spoke bluntly about how the nation's highest court had become out of step with the american people. he made those comments hours after the court struck down affirmative action in college admissions. and less than 24 hours after that, the court gave business owners license to discriminate and overturn biden's student loan relief program. it was decisions that undid precedent, and despite the abnormality of the court that biden speaks of, he's resisted embracing major reforms to it. a new piece in the "washington post" explores the renewed pressure being put on the president to do just that. in part it reads, quote, biden has harshly criticized the supreme court's sharp pivot to the right. he has stayed away from endorsing any of the broad array of reports including -- backed by core parts of his base. democrats in congress say the court is suffering a crisis of legitimacy. in a statement, congressman don beyer said recent partisan decisions that

i'm ayman mohyeldin for nicole wallace.he age-old expression for donald trump and by extension, his aides caught up in the classified documents indictment. today carlos de oliveira, the mar-a-lago property manager, newly charged in jack smith's documents case was in court. it was his first public appearance since being named in last night's superseding indictment accused of telling a mar-a-lago employee, the boss wanted surveillance footage deleted, footage sought by the department of justice at the time. he's also accused of lying to investigators. again, it is not the crime, folks. it is the cover-up, but there is a delay. de oliveira hasn't secured local counsel to represent him in florida so the judge asked him to return later, next thursday, to go about the arraignment. if all of this sounds familiar, that's because the other trump aide indicted in the classified documents case, the valet, walt nauta, twice had his not guilty plea postponed for the very same reason and perhaps you're saying to yourself, what a stroke o

. >> when president biden said to nicole wallace on another channel -- howard: msnbc -- >> the questiond he know, and it appears that our national security is, intel community knew what everybody saw which was prigozhin was openly hammering military leadership, particularly sergei shoigu, attacking him, accusing him of literally attacking the wagner forces in the rear as well as saying that the the military leadership lied to putin over the justification for the war to begin with. howard: right. >> and so ill say the challenges of covering it has been for reporters like myself on this messaging on telegram. that's where prigozhin puts videos up. we try and translate this to the u.s. to figure out what's going on. howard: well, i love how everyone on twitter is suddenly an instant expert on this. there are certain people who cover the region who do know a lot. so prigozhin, the guy who headed the mercenary group and later it was revealed his forces got $1 billion from the russian government, is now in belarus, basically a client state of the kremlin, and the president of bell louis, like

>> president biden talked about the issue of reforming the court in an interview with our own nicole wallacewant to play a little bit of that. >> do you worry that without court reform this conservative majority is too young and too conservative? that they might do too much harm? >> i think they may do too much harm. i think if we start the process of trying to expand the court, we are gonna politicize a maybe, forever. in a way that is not healthy. >> representative clyburn, do you agree? >> i understand president biden. this is a long term prospect. you have to pass both houses of the congress. they would be a lot of politics involved in all of that. that would not happen overnight. in fact, it may not happen at all. we would have to get around many issues, like the filibuster. especially in the senate. i understand why he doesn't want to get into that. the fact of the matter is that this court is very political. oh yeah have to do is look at the case dealing with the debt limit. look at the case dealing with gay rights. these cases are political. that is exactly what they were. in fact, t

even despite that fact, president biden put a claim in a exclusive interview with msnbc's nicole wallaceour father's republican party. ican party and encouraging messages of hope to help support nearly three hundred thousand patients facing cancer nationwide. we call it “the subaru love promise.” and we're proud to be the largest automotive donor to the leukemia and lymphoma society. subaru. more than a car company. ♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it may be difficult to remember but our political debates were not always characterized by personal attacks on candidates or specific groups of the american public. >> the political tactics of division and slander are not our values. -- [applause] they are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who practice in the name of religion or in the name of the republican party or in the name of america shame our faith, our party, and our country. [applause] >> it will be easy to let a healthy competition give wa

. >> earlier, one-on-one with nicole wallace this week, president biden declined a comment on the specialjanuary 6th. i want you to take a listen to that. >> i made a commitment that i would not, in any way, interfere with this, the justice department. who they prosecute it, how they prosecuted, and how they perceive it? and not one single time with the attorney general, i talk on any specific case, not once. but i do talk to him about law enforcement and all those other things. i have faith the justice department will move in this direction that is consistent with the law. >> jill, how important new judicial independence here? >> judicial independence or at least law enforcement, independents of the white house is extremely important. and i couldn't be prouder of what the president said. he said exactly what he would hope any president would say. he said i am not involved in any decisions about who to prosecute. and that's what you want. and we have seen that in stark contrast to what the republicans are now saying, which is, they want to definitely overturn the independence of the depar

operate -- >> agree with everything you're saying, your analysis a spot on, but joe biden's telling nicole wallace, wait it might be too political if we do anything about it. it is already political. >> yes, it is. listen, i would commend democrats any new else interested in democracy to not worry about joe biden too much. this is going to take more than one election. this can take more than one reform. this is a long term project, republicans set out to change the court over decades. democrats have to be as solid and committed to long term education of the public, electing people who are old enough to do these reforms. joe biden might not be the president to do it, quite frankly. he is better than the alternative, but he may not be the guy. >> i'm not sure we have the time for a long term judicial reform the way these guys are motoring along. kevin, you are a law professor. how do you explain to your law students how it is the justices rule on a case three or three creative in which they knew that the man who supposedly requested a gay wedding website never made that request and isn't gay? explai

here's grossberg speaking to my colleague nicole wallace back in april. >> gradually i was shut out ofked. i was eventually demoted. that's how it played out for me. and it got worse, and it got worse, and it got worse every time i spoke out. >> in her lawsuits, grossberg who also worked for maria bartiromo described fox as a toxic, misogynistic environment. and after the settlement was announced fox released a statement on their own, reading in part, we are pleased that we have been able to resolve this matter without further litigation. renato, molly, and kurt are back with me. i am trying to think, guys, who's had a worse year than fox news. and it just seems like it's getting worse by the week. you know, i want to say, you know, abby grossberg put out a statement in which she said that she's heartened that fox news has taken her and her legal claim seriously. hopefully, based on these discussions with fox, that they somehow make this a positive step going forward. what are the chances, molly, that this whole ordeal actually makes fox turn the page into a different direction? even i

i was sitting there next to rachel maddow and nicolle wallace and we all went, huh. it sounded like she was presaging something that also could land at the doj, let me play what she said. it was warning at the end where she did those teases at the end of each hearing, and this was one of them. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation. a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer or respond to president trump's call and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer alerted us. and this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. let me say one more time, we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously. >> and doug jones, the presumption at the time that was cassidy hutchinson they were talking about who used to be represented by lawyers donald trump was paying for, but then got her own attorneys and decided to testify truthfully before the committee. do you see potential charges regarding that, intimidation of a witness? >> yeah,

he echoed that message this week in studio with nicole wallace.k against the modern gop and the supreme court is stacked in his favor. >> the constitution says, excuse myself, all men and women are created equal. it is the uniqueness of america. we never walked away from it, and this court seems to say that that's not always the case. the idea there is no right to privacy in the constitution, giving states power that we fought a war over in 1860. i just think it's -- this is not your father's republican party. >> the president is right. this is not your father's gop. it's not ronald reagan's party anymore either. no matter how many times modern republicans shout and say that it is. for proof, look at further than today at donald trump's rally in south carolina. it was clear despite impeachments, indictments, and insurrection, his supporters have not wavered. nbc's vaughn hillyard was in pickens, south carolina to witness it. >> i think we need to be clear about the strong hold that donald trump apparently has on this republican party here in the s

during his exclusive interview with my colleague, nicole wallace, president biden explained why he'srs, ahead of 2024. >> i know the polling numbers are not good, but they were the same way when i ran and won. everybody thought i was going to get clobbered in a primary. i got 80 million votes. in the last election. >> well, point well taken. let's bring in robert gibbs, msnbc political analyst and former press secretary for the obama white house. hello, my friend, thanks for joining me on this holiday weekend. so, what do you make of the presidents approach to his poll numbers? should he be worried or is there time to bring them up? >> well, i think what you're probably seeing the white house wanting to do is stabilize and grow the approval rating. but i look back to 2022. democrats ended up having a pretty good night. even as the majority of americans disapprove of president biden. and i think the reality is we see us going from that 2022 election into 2024. it is how to take those soft disapprove numbers, essentially, and use that contrast with republicans to say, even if you disap

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msnbc's nicolle wallace failed to ask the president single question about hunter. a top aide told that the president lashes out at aivisers who bring up hunter scandals. the source said that the bidens were his about hunter's quote consume him. a >> some of us are afraid that hunter is bringing downveryth the president's poll numbers, but joe biden thinks everythinig is just fine. >> there's a lot of good that's happening. for examplr example american e, 66% of've ha the american people have i eater job satisfaction than they had in a highkn 15th or whatever the number is, 30 years. i know the polling numbersy wert good, but they were the same way when i ran and won e 80 m everybody thought i was going to get clobbered in a primary. e i golastt 80 million votes in the last election. >> just rambles. byron york, the chiefrespon political correspondent for the washington examiner examiner, and he joinsde for us byron, i didn't think the dathy would comewo, but i thinktw the president only really hass t two options. either he hands hunterer overpae to the american pub

nicolle wallace will be back tomorrow. fear not.ber starts right now. >> hey, ari. >> hey, alicia. thank you so much. welcome to "the beat." tonight, we have it, special counsel jack smith's list of evidence for the new crimes allegedly committed by trump while president. these are the three federal statutes that the doj cites in its target letter warning trump of another possible indictment. you're looking at the actual outline of this case. this is brand-new. we're talking about conspiracy, witness tampering, and deprivation of rights in then outgoing president trump's failed coup. two sourcesli news about doj listing those crimes in the target letter which trump himself leaked, which has created all this interest this week in whether he'll face a second federal indictment. these suggest details about the case jack smith is building. i'll go through a few key points and bring our leddoff legal expert, a veteran of the doj's criminal division and who knows jack smh'