growing up in my niebd, neighborhood, a bunch of parents said go to school so you can bring somethingk to this community. >> what gives you hope and optimism? >> these kids aren't one dimensional. they're not just gangsters they're not just bad kids. even the kids doing really heinous things have wonderful sides to them. the trick is to see those and get more of that out of them. >> last word. >> the returning citizens, the former return to life prisoners inside and outside coming back and adding a new insight to the struggle going on within the communities today. >> and you think that that's -- >> tremendously hopeful. >> very complicated topic. thanks so much for coming and helping us understand it. clinton thomas, captain ercy joyner joyner angie wolf and pen harshaw at bunch continuation high school. >> thanks for having us. >> that is all for tonight's show. for all kqed's coverage, please go to i believe that gun education would really premote a culture of safety and understanding of fire arms we'll take a look at one man's life changing experience with gun violence and how we c