niel: is revealing just how old i am.overing them michael campaign in 1988 . in the waiting parts of that campaign, he had humongous rallies. as far as the eye can see and a lot of people look to the rallies as a do indicate all of that. not minimizing that . and certainly not donald trump now. but it is not the end-all and this idea where the costco and he's indicated that joe biden has, that is doing at this at a safety concern and all . not to be a super spreader. but the crowd thing, is overstated. that we might be missing something beneath the surface here. >> i certainly don't remember that crowd, four years old. i will ask my parents so about how that was. [laughter]. but just give me a moment in the sun. but it will say about crowds, not even using this example about donald trump. look at bernie sanders. he had by far and away the biggest crowds in the 2016 primaries. and again in 2020. left-wing progressives grant for bernie sanders presidency. and he showed up at the polls, hillary clinton voters in the joe bide

joining me now by sky from san francisco niel raymo, the senior director of research at hope lab, a nonprofit that creates digital tools such as vi apps ando games to improve the health and well-being of young people. joining me by sky from chicago is will coleman, senior columbia college and intern at hope lab. thank you ford both joining. will, can you share with us some of the mental health chald nges you have experien this year, especially compared to pre-covid days? >> yes, so i'm currently a senior at columbia college chicago, and with vi this, i understand the challenges that come with school, the depression can be involved. anxiety on a regular basis, but adding a global pandemic on top of all of that can really raise the bar dramically within all those, so way more anxious, i'm behind the screen for eight hours throughout the day and having minimum interaction of real-life students, and that's one of the major parts about college, is the fact that you can work with stents from all around the country and working in a field that is passionate to you personally, so when things arshifted

. >> hi, niel. >> first of all, a commentary and then a question. your form is actually very stimulating. i don't have the credentials that you people do. i fancy myself and armchair historic. as far as mr. smith is concerned, the catholicism should not enter into the picture. he was clearly a proponent of the middle-class and pro labor. generally, i think he was a well intended individual. we will i am wondering that if today, if we had a candidate running for the president of the united states, what can what a candidate with mr. smith nine state set be able to pull it off? despite that, thank you so much. >> beverley gauge. >> i think that's an interesting question smith goes through a very weird political transition in the 1930's. after it lost the election, he flipped a lot of what he stood for up to that point. i know we will get to talking about that a little later in the show. he was a populist of sorts. he was not an absolute populist. he was certainly not a william and jennings bryant populist. if anything, he really did not like bryan week