niesen is hot for a pony's right to trot. it is the subject of tonight's -- >> "red eye" 2014, live from the" red eye" debate center. >> welcome to the "red eye" debate center. here at the "red eye" debate center, thank you graphics. >> i made this out of yellow notepad. >> on wednesday liam niesen was talking about a ban in new york city. he is a little pissed at our newly elected mayor. >> i am a little pissed off at our newly elected mayor. he wants to close this horse and carriage industry in new york. there was a poll last week and over 60% of new yorkers want to keep the horse carriage industry. these organizations put out this this -- all of this false information. these guys treat the horses like children. >> i hate children so i don't know what that means. then he moves to other topics. >> he oant even -- he won't even take a meeting. he is supposed to be representing the new york people. >> i hope they can work it out. quite frankly from my perspective it does not seem to be -- maybe this is an emotional reaction, b