with us is labor mp stephen kinnock, and nigel lawson joining us from westminster. you so much for joining us. lord lawson, why is there a sudden gain in momentum for the leave campaign? nigel: i have no idea. i think it is going to be very close. we shall see. certainly, i very much hope the people of britain will vote on to leave theune european union. it is right that we should become a self governing democracy. it is also the best thing for the economy. francine: state your case, stephen kinnock. mr. jonathan: i -- stephen: i think it is disappointing that there is this focus on the blue on blue war. one would be better is if we had a proper discussion about what a post brexit u.k. would look like. doneeave campaign has nothing to help us understand that. the 2 millionith british people living outside the u.k.? it has become a little bit of a false debate. i call it only half a referendum. francine: do you rebuke accusations that the problem with your side is that everything is negative? stephen: i think there's a great opportunity for us to win on the 23rd of ju

lamont andlor, lord nigel lawson, they both think the brexit will be good for the british economy.itary.gthen the good for the british economy because britain is the fifth world. economy in the it will be able to make its own decisions. currently there are 28 countries total in the eu. when britain negotiates with india, china, the united states, they are one of 28. if they can do it on their own they will have a greater global role. laura: what is the biggest benefit? john: democratic self-government. the right of a people to rule themselves. laura: what if the markets crash? john: i do not think they will crash. blips for abe while. this is a powerful economic country. they have nothing to be afraid of. boris johnson said there is nothing to fear. written shouldn't brace the global future. be able to make decisions on its own and not be beaten out by 27 other countries inside of the european union. laura: john fonte thank you for joining us. whereo libya government-backed forces have made gains against the fighters of the so-called islamic state. the fighting has been going on si

ate brexit with nigel lawson and stephen kinnock.ormer nigerian president goodluck jonathan. welcome to "the pulse" live from

lord lawson, why is there a sudden gain in momentum for the leave campaign? nigel: i have no idea. i think it is going to be very close. we shall see. certainly, i very much hope the people of britain will vote on to leave theune european union. it is right that we should become a self governing democracy. it is also the best thing for the economy. francine: state your case, stephen kinnock. mr. jonathan: i -- stephen: i think it is disappointing that there is this focus on the blue on blue war. one would be better is if we had a proper discussion about what a post brexit u.k. would look like. doneeave campaign has nothing to help us understand that. the 2 millionith