the nih says u.s.d for limited experiments with bat viruses and humanized mice that were infected with this tweaked virus did in fact become sicker than those given the unmodified virus. so what do you think that sounds like? the letter says the bat coronaviruses used in the experiment are decades removed from what we know as the corona 19 virus. members on the house oversight committee says this directly contradicts dr. fauci's previous denials. in a moment, the ranking member, james comer joins us. first, jonathan serrie. >> the national institutes of health has ordered one of its grant recipients, a nonprofit called eco health alliance to submit any unpublished data regarding experiments that eco health funded at a laboratory in wuhan, china. in that experiment in question, lab might mod fight to mimic the human immune system became sicker when exposed to a certain virus pound in bats. the nih says this was an unexpected result, not something the researchers sat out to do. senator rand paul and othe

the national, the nih knew this all along. dr.mmittee at best and lied to the committee at worst by saying tax dollars were never used for gain of function knowledge coming in of function research. now they are trying to change the definition of gain-of-function research but in layman's term, they were genetically modifying, making it worse, that violates the terms of the tax grants that eco-health alliance gods. this is bad, this is more wrongdoing from the biden administration it it's very disappointing the intelligence committee spent 90 days looking into the origination of covid-19 and they said, we can't find anything. >> laura: what are we getting for our intel dollars except american citizens being targeted ourselves? we have to start asking this question. >> we do and we continue to ask the question. jim jordan has been the champion on questioning the intelligence community about the effectiveness. >> laura: hypersonic missiles, now this? come on, i am billions of dollars down a rat hole and the american people are the one

if nih came out and -- or dr. fauci or dr.nd in response to these attacks from republican members of the senate, particularly rand paul, explained this difference between the intent of the research and the effect and really described that kind of nuance. i think the public would understand that. and it would not appear that nih was sort of withholding information. but that becomes the effect of lack of clarity at the outset. so i think in the end, tony fauci was being truthful, not artful in his famitestimony. >> let's talk about the moderna announcement. they just released their own data on kids 6 to 11 saying it produced a robust immune response. that has not been peer reviewed yet, we should note that, but it seems like promising initial information. >> we know that pfizer has a vaccine that's very likely to be signed off this week by the fda committee. next week by the cdc committee. and maybe the week after that, in your pediatrician's office. and the moderna vaccine is very similar technology to the pfizer vaccine. so it

top nih official admitted in a wednesday letter that u.s.rs funded research on it and move on and the u.s. nonprofit funneled nih money to the wuhan institute of virology was not transparent about the work he was doing. i don't think the letter ever uses gain of function, their experts who say they are saying what equates to that and there was no link to this. a coronavirus that causes covid-19 but some admissions there that seem like information we have not had before. >> first of all, how did they know there was no link? they got it wrong back in july we sent them a letter and they responded and said no gain of function was going on. this was not happening at this institute of virology and now here we are two months later and a different story. they were doing gain of function. they weren't being square with us as with the nha's almanac and you couple that with what they have already told us. already misled us about. remember on january 31st, 2020, dr. fauci gets an email from dr. christian anderson an email says that 10:32 p.m., the virus

the tracking, monitoring, the reporting, the nih lost control over this, they are lying.any is lying. if but you hinted also, this is what happens when the media does not hold any of these folks accountable, nih, fauci who said anything differently. bill mark, i don't know if you saw this, but mel martin actually leave it or not we are using him as an example, but he pointed out something important. he said "the new york times" found that if you ask people where did they odds of somebody going to the hospital if they get covid. 40% of democrats said 50% or more is likely to go to the hospital if you get covid. it means these people are being fed through federal media a bunch of garbage. nobody is hold the nih accountable, holding fauci -- nobody's holding the media account to be either. that's all we get to this point. in spain jason, we have fauci's emails, the documents from the intercept they made public, now we have this new evidence. in your mind, is the case overwhelming and in convertible that dr. fauci knew more about the origins of the virus and gain of function

laura: thank you for joining me now is the congressman who forced the nih to facet.of the house it was a committee james comeare. i'm not shocked because i knew this all along because smart people knew what was going on in that wuhan lab but how is this not the biggest story, one of the top 3 stories at least in america tonight? >> it should be. this proves all along this virus was started in wuhan lab in this proves all along that american tax dollars were used to fund gain of function research in the wuhan lab, the nih new this all along, doctor fauci misled the committee at best and lied to the committee at worst by saying tax dollars were never used for gain of function research. they are trying to change the definition of gain of functions research but in layman's terms they were taking this virus and making it worse, genetically modifying it, taking the deadly virus and making it worse and that violates the terms of the tax dollars for the grant that eco-health alliance got. this is more wrongdoing from the biden administration and we are going to keep on them.

collins, thank you so much for all you have done at nih and elsewhere over these many years.ilege to serve the public in this way and for anybody listening who wonders whether a life of public service can be meaningful, let me tell you it absolutely can in the most amazing way. >> you absolutely are right, dr. collins. thank you so much. >>> coming up, the former vice president mike pence goes on fox news to spin revisionist history about the january 6th insurrection. why is pence trying right now apparently to appease former president trump after his spun porters tried to actually hunt him down and they threatened to kill him? we are the next. the next generation of visionaries. rule breakers. game changers. and world beaters. we certainly aren't here to do what's been done before. and neither are we. at palo alto networks, we are ready to secure our digital future. we innovate to outpace cyberthreats. so you can make the next day safer than the one before. we've got next. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i fe

new nih letter that says the nih funded supervirus research contradicting dr.auci or can you expect more thunderous hair splitting and dissembling from dr. fauci. critics call this a textbook case of bureaucratic stubborn necessary, draining people of common sense to lethal adults. john durham will soon declassify documents in has criminal trump-russia probe. we'll look who could be in hot water. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: welcome to the show. you're watching the fox business network. attorney general merrick garland testifying today at an explosive house hearing amid multiple doj controversies. joining us now. he was at the hearing, louisiana congressman mike johnson of house judiciary. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. you were there, tell us what happened and what is going on with the white house knowing ahead of time before ag garland sent out the memo threatening parents with federal firepower meant for terrorists to investigate them for threatening school boards? what is going on with this story?

this research was funded by tony fauci's nih which sent a $375 grant to the lab.y went to drugging beagles, locking their heads and mesh cages full of hungry sand flies us of the insects could eat them alive. that is disgusting and the people who funded it should be submitted to that to see how they like it. "the washington post" today defended it. a columnist there will defend nearly anything. it was his job to take one for the team so he wrote a straight-faced article that defending this is somehow immoral. senior vice president at peta joins us tonight. thank you so much for coming on. this is so offensive that it is hard to even talk about it on tv but i want to leave open the possibility that maybe there is some reason we had to torture dogs to death? give us your view. >> there is no reason for the disgrace that this experiment is and unfortunately, it is just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on at nih. nih buys thousands of dogs, they subject them to experiments that only freddy krueger could think up and all of this has to change. the last time i wa

but isn't this also an oversight failure of the nih?responsible for taking taxpayer money and giving these grants. so would you say this is also an oversight failure? >> i'll get into a little bit of the weeds here. the way that congress gives our authorities, we are able to require performance by the grantee, which is eco health alliance. they had a sub-award to the wuhan institute of biology. we are not permitted to have direct interaction from the sub award. that had to come from eco health. that needs to be changed. we are interested in asking congress to change that, and we're also looking closely at circumstances where progress reports are delayed to see what should be done in that space that perhaps in this instance was not done. so, yes, it's a learning experience for sure. >> why should americans trust you and the nih on the issue of covid origins when you didn't even know about the programs it was funding with taxpayer dollars this china? >> that's a little too strong, pam. we did know exactly what the funding was intended to

the nih lost control over this. they are lying -- you get it too.t happens when the media doesn't hold any of these folks accountable and anybody who says this differently is labeled as a kook. bill maher, can't believe we're using him as an example, he pointed out something important that he said "the new york times" found that when you ask people what are the odds of someone going to the hospital if they get covid, and 40% of democrats said 50% or more is likely to go to the hospital if you get covid, which means that these people are being fed through liberal media a bunch of garbage, and no one has holding the nih accountable, nobody is holding the media accountable. that's how we get to this point. >> jason, we have fauci's emails, we have this new evidence. in your mind, is this case overwhelming, is it incontrovertible that dr. fauci knew a lot more about theth origins of this virus and gain of function and where the money came from, and he was being deceptive to being kind and rand paul. >> senator paul was clearly right. dr. felt she should

nih will be fine., that might be a really good thing. >> no question, nih has been doing god's work for a long time. what are you going to do after you retire, dr. collins? how are you going to spend your day? >> i'm going back to my research lab, which i have been running, but rather on a part-time basis for the last 28 years. now, the people in the lab are like, oh, my gosh, he's coming back? how's that going to be? better clean out the office. we have all of our stuff in there. i'm really looking forward to that. >> dr. francis collins, not retiring, just leaving nih. dr. collins, thank you for your time on this friday. and thank you for your service to your country, as well, sir. thank you very much. >> thanks, craig. >>> just a few minutes from now, folks, we are going to hear from president biden. he'll be talking about that september jobs report, so we have all eyes trained on the white house. >>> first, though, another major challenge for this administration. the border. thousands of migrants i

with the nih providing documents to the house of representatives showing that the nih did fund gain of sending this letter to the white house, very concerned about this. joining me right now, the ranking member of the house intel committee, congressman thune yes, sir, and former acting director of intelligence, ric grenell. gentlemen, good to see you. congressman nuÑes, you were on this program back in may telling us, in fact, they did send this money. why is it that anthony fauci can go under oath and say otherwise? >> maria, i don't think that he can, and he should be prosecuted here. if he was notified, our committee did a year-long investigation. we talked about it back this may, we put out an official report. so he was clearly on notice then. after that he went where? he went to the united states senate, and not once but, i believe, twice under questioning by senator rand paul he said it didn't happen, and that's simply not true. and i don't think his e-mails, when you go back and look at the time, show that he wouldn't though something about this either. so he's long been on noti

we reached out to the nih for comment, they responded in a statement a part that said the goal of theh wasem to determine if the experimental vaccine prevented dogsif from becoming infected natural setting. it's an important research goal in this case, the researchers are supported through multiple different funding sources. the nia grant ended in the july of 2021. they also added viral images of caged beagles in an academic manuscript were not part of a federally funded experiments. a we are continuing to follow the story and remember, fauci is still under fire for appearing to lie about whether they funded gain-of-function research including to congress, because look at this. the group picot health alliance which received u.s. taxpayer dollars from the nih i'm a and subcontracted with the wuhan virology lab on coronavirus gain of function studies, is calling out fauci. "these data were reported as soon as we were made aware in our year four report in april 2018," undercutting the nih claim that the disclosures were sent two years late and undercutting suggestions that fauci knew not

deny. >> with all due respect you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever andnd gain-of-function research in the wuhan institute. >> gain-of-function research was going on in that lab and nih funded its, it meets your definition and you are obfuscating the truth. >> you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals, i totally resent that. if anybody is lying here, it is you. >> will: no, dr. fauci, it appears it is you, you are the liar strips because now we have solid proof. in a newly released letter, the nih admits that it funded gain-of-function research in wuhan claiming it wasn't transparent about the work taking place. they shifted the blame to eco-health alliance. rand paul was right, dr. fauci was lying. kentucky senator rand paul joined me now. thanks for jumping on the show with us tonight, do you feel vindicated? >> yeah, but it's not about me, it's ultimately about the safety of the country and the world. 5 million people died from a virus that came out of a lab, wouldn't we want to know, wouldn't we want to prevent th

it imimis just the tip of the iceberg of what is going on at nih.ogs and subject them to experiments tha only freddy krueger could think of. the last time i was on i said thath the nih director needs to go at unfortunate since then he hasn't announced his resignation . now the esother nih directors n to go. >> my sense from a reading abou this is that many of these torture sessions, they are not ethan experiments. they can't help themselves. it is driven by findings of the spun he available so picks from a takes plays but that doesn't help science or any people. it is just they need to spend the money. >> that's what we know. they spent about 19 billion hav a difference here on animal experiments, even though we kno that thesehe experiments are no going to find cures and treatments for human beings. if you look at the other laboratoriesan, inside the nih laboratory in maryland, as we exposed last year, brain damage monkeys and then try to frighte them and petty cages with plastic snakes and spiders. thises kind of experimentation goes on all the tim

congressman, based on the nih letter, is it clear to say that u.s.r loud for something to be created at this lab that leaked out and caused the pandemic? >> what we clearly have, david, is the lab receiving taxpayer funds used in this lab where this suspicious activity was happening and from which there's been allegations that the virus may have come. if you go on the intelligence committee key republican website you will see a report of all things known publicly as to how this lab played a role perhaps in this pandemic i dropped a bill early this year on the issue of nih funding and this is an issue where we have grantees who were receiving money and a complete lack of nih providing oversight or reporting. this would require that, require transparency and oversight. certainly, this is not an area where taxpayers would expect that their funds would go. david: i have to ask a personal question about what happened between dr. fauci and rand paul, does dr. fauci owe senator paul on apology for calling him a liar about something which the nih seems to sa

and then to sufficiently bring more tests to market nih is investing $70 million of the american rescue plan with that accelerated pathwayay to support authorization with the at home test. together and then with those testing options adding to the number and reducing prices. so for vaccinating and vaccinating americans giving booster shot to tens of millions and vaccination for kids five through 11 and increasing at home testing supply making test more affordable we are making important process the presidents plan is working and we remain focused on the execution to move us forward on a path out of the pandemic. with that i handed over to doctorle wilensky. >> as always i will start with the data and today i provided a closer look at the state of the pandemic. as of yesterday the seven-day daily average was 55900 per day this represents another 15 percent decrease over the previous week down from the eapeak we are now headed in the right direction and then with cases still high remaining vigilant into the colder dryer winter months looking at hospitalizations to see a decrease with a 54

the nih admitting to funding gain-of-function research.ve and we'll reflect on that conversation from the past summer. a month's worth of rain in 24 hours. a storm that is drenching the northeast coming up from our brand-new fox weather studio. >> bill: major milestone for tesla, 1 trillion yesterday. tesla joining apple, amazon, micro soft in the exclusive club. shares in the electric car company gaining momentum after hertz said they are adding 100,000 tesla cars. >> dana: given this news, does tesla still need subsidies? why would you? it's time to be done with that. are you fine with that? >> bill: i'm fine with that. >> dana: i love the journal's position on that for years. millions of people are batting down the hatches, a nor'easter slamming the region and new england with heavy rains and winds. some places may get a month's worth of rain in one day. kendall smith is live in fox square with more. high, kendall. >> how are you doing? we're live out here this morning. it is wet, it is soggy. the northeast has been getting pounded by r

where is the head of the nih?ation apparently was very interested in having janet wilcock, who is the current acting commissioner to be the permanent commission ers commissioner of the fda but current senators are blocking her. i think it's key that position be filled, and i think it's key that the nih position be filled expeditiously. who would have thought a year ago that something as apolitical as the director of the national institutes of health, really the preeminent research organization in the world, would be so politicized and so subject to, you know, the craziness in the united states senate, but here we are. and i think anything is possible. >> yeah. to the vaccines now. johnson & johnson asking the fda to authorize a booster shot for their covid vaccine, but the company is leaving it up to the fda and the cdc to decide who should get them and when. who do you think should get that shot? >> i you know, it's unclear. there are sort of two sets of data as it pertains to the j&j vaccine. one data suggested

nih is in a good place. i recruited 27 of them so they're good. covid-19 is a huge challenge and we would lose momentum if i stepped away by the end of the year. we're okay. we're doing what we need to. so seems like it's time for me to step atway, get back into my research lab and focus on interesting projects and figure out what i want to do when i grow up. >> neil: i've been here at fox for 25 years. i don't know if you're trying to telegraph messages to me. did you bounce this off of dr. fauci? people don't realize that you're dr. fauci's boss. what did he tell you when you shared this news? >> le tried to talk me out of it. yeah, he and i have worked closely together now over many years. he's been there longer than i have. i've been there a long time. i think we've been good scientific partners. he got it and understand that there's a time for this sort of decision to get made and this is a reasonable one. it gives the president a chance to identify a new nih director, a presidential appointment, would

dan: >> do you still support funding of the nih funding of the lab wuhan?b, the nih has not and has never funded gain of function research. i will repeat, the nih and iad categorically has not funded gain of function research again, we have not done gain of function research, i don't know how many times i can say it. we did not fund gain of function research. dan: what's. turns out the fbi had to come up that they kind of screwed up. when is psaki going to resign? enough of the dark and gloomy stuff. i'm getting hungry, i don't know about you i am a huge believer, nothing like no nutritional nutritional value but i'm not really into sugar. love a good burger, a fan of five guys and whataburger but ideology can change my mind and it's stories like this that get me thinking san francisco with the covid vaccine, fantastic. finally, we love audience interaction, this is for you so we thought it would be a good idea to proud source, facebook is looking to repent. we took a poll to see what facebook should change its name to. number one recommendation, honorable

. >>> a lot more to talk about with nih direct dr. francis collins coming up in the show. >>> we're told by sources about to get an update from california whether former president bill clinton will be released today. live outside the hospital. >>> plus, looks like that texas abortion law is heading back to the supreme court. will justices side with the biden administration and put the law on hold this time? >>> later on in the show, the qanon 34569ermind. making a big announcement for plans for the future. yeah. stick around. yeah stick around. tains. and wherever this guy runs off to. a life well lived should continue at home. with home instead care, older adults can stay home, safe, and happy. home instead. to us, it's personal. i'm still drawn to what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin that's a trail i want to take. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. d

dan: check out this headline nih admits u.s.gain of function research in wuhan despite fauci's denial. but it gets more disturbing. listen on a serious note i have a hard time reading this headline. yeah if you have a dog, you know what i mean. these dog experiments that went on, arrest fauci trended on twitter doctor faces criticism for this stuff. i don't to talk about it i put it in there and watch and had to turn volume if you have a dog you know exactly what i mean. all of this stuff fits the requirements of him being both creepy and a clown. you know the last house of horrors i want in a big with witches stirring up nasty. [inaudible conversations] then i'll be perished in the land. [laughter] again get the diapers out. it is a joke. it's a joke. i know you need your diapers for that. take it easy. but sad part is even though we use humor again none of this is inaccurate. not just the damage joe biden done but how quickly he's done it. happy halloween and treat for me will be if you please go and vote on tuesday in a virgi

and certainly we need to look closely at the nih.group getting funding from nih and some of that went to the wuhan institute of virology have been anything but transparent. we need much greater transparency by everyone. and we need a full examination into the origins of the pandemic. steve: absolutely. but, nonetheless, and you have seen dr. fauci on television, when he is up on capitol hill. he is very defensive. and he is adamant. and as you put it earlier, they have -- the lawyers, at nih have narrowly defined what gain of function research is. and apparently he feels that they are within that lane. but, nonetheless, the american public needs to know that the united states government, you know, gave these grants to this organization that put money in the hands of these people. >> yes. no, that's exactly right. that's why we need a full investigation and in some ways, i think this binary question of gain of function research was it or wasn't it is really a bit of a side show. what we need to know is what happened, what role did the

fauci saying that the nih did not fund any form of gain of function research, so, uh-oh. >> remember, over again, and he denied it, but turns out it's true, i guess. david? >> well, again, they're going to say it was directly or indirectly they didn't know about it, but they should have said maybe. >> yes, yes. david, let's do it quick, david. >> what can i say. all right. so hi if flop of the week -- my flop of the week, the state department's international pronoun day celebration. the official twitter account, and i quote: today on international pronouns days, we share why many people use pronounce on their mail and social media platform. for those who would like to have a little english language fun, there's more than a hundred official pronouns, and until now, none of them were used for your own personal identifier -- >> that's it, folks -- jon: a high stakes governor's race in virginia, former president obama hitting the campaign trail this afternoon just ten days to go until election day. good evening, i'm jon covet, and this is "the fox report." jon covet. ♪ jon: former preside

on c-span3, covid-19 and the next steps in the response with testimony from the cdc director and the nih director anthony found she before the senate health committee. friday on the c-span network, the memorial service for retired army general and former secretary of state colin powell live from the washington national cathedral. watch this week on the c-span networks or watch our full coverage on c-span now, our new mobile video app. head over to c-span.org for scheduling information or to stream video live or on-demand any time. c-span, your unfiltered view of ve

that was just antibody data from the nih. but, the study today really nailed it, sweetest study that looked at -- swedish study that looked at johnson & johnson dna for astrazeneca, and followed by mrna vaccine in a clinically protected you more. so, yes, i do think as a clinician i will make recommendation after johnson & johnson for an mrna vaccine, and it will make the second shot of johnson & johnson not as appealing. >> general colin powell's passing yesterday had vaccine hesitant folks again asking, isn't that proof that the vaccine doesn't work. before you answer, i should point out that his wife was also fully vaccinated, was infected with covid, vet has been treated and has been sent home. can you analyze their situations and tell us what you think they actually show about vaccine effectiveness? >> the vaccines work really well. i am sorry for his passing, but what happened here is that he was being treated for multiple myeloma, and then have this chronic immunocompromised position as a result. where the vaccines wor

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the nih director who has been there for three decades, francis collins, is going to announce he will be leaving the agency. will fauci be next? francis collins is an subject to many foia requests and some of not been responded to. will they ever be? we will keep you up to date. gutfeld is next. >> to protect me and millions like me. >> tuesday october 5th. activists deploy more aggressive tactics against moderate democrats standing in the way of president biden's spending plan but the commander-in-chief says this is part of being a politician. >> at the same time president biden

fauci and his boss, nih director francis collins, say they cannot rule out the theory of the pandemic was the result of a laboratory accident without more cooperation from the chinese government. back in the u.s., florida governor ron desantis announce he will convene a special session of the republican-controlled legislature in november to fight vaccine mandates posed by businesses. >> your rights to earn a living should not be contingent on covid shots. >> the governor supporters cheer the fact that the cases in florida are declining despite the state's opposition to mask and vaccine mandates. >> lord is worth today's of the pandemic may be behind it but politifact points out that it's infection rates are still higher than most states. >> bret: jonathan serrie in atlanta. the pentagon's hypersonic weapons programs suffered a setback after a booster rocket failed to lift off, that's according to reuters. the test was intended to validate aspects of one of the hypersonic vehicles in development. senior pentagon officials say a separate series of tests wednesday was successful on navy

and it's time to bring in a new scientist to lead the nih into the future. now, dr.oned just personally how much dr. collins has meant to him. he described him as a very kind and considerate person. 'actually called him folksy. he plays the guitar. he rides a motorcycle. he is a man of many interests. i've enter you haved dr. collins many times over the years. and what comes through is not just his scientific brilliance but his humility. john. >> decency, every time you hear him, he's grateful. let's go to dr. leana wen, the former new york city health commissioner. dr. wen, you hear the humility. saying it's time for somebody else. happening in the middle of a pandemic at the time when other key jobs including when there's no director of the food and drug administration, the fda right now, that's a big challenge for the white house? >> it is, so i do want to add on to what elizabeth was saying in that dr. collins is a national treasure. he's led so many important scientific discoveries. the nih also funds a lot of academic research done in institutions around the co

fauci and nih. it you will definitely know about it and hear about it. >> congresswoman nancy mace, thanks for joining us. you will come back on again soon. still to come the texas national guard deploying massive manpower as new caravans of thousands are expected to arrive in days. question, why isn't the president telling them to go back? up next former federal prosecutor phillip holloway. retailers and law enforcement warning that the holidays could see an explosion in retail theft, emptying out stores shelves too. we have botched bail reform behind all of this. we'll investigate it next. ♪. bring your visit to outdated montepisa! our sights will take your breathing away. our food will make your mouth leak. and our roads will make you break wind. translation is complex. transperfect makes it simple. our experts help your business succeed. in any market, any language, any industry. simplify global business with transperfect. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new m

. >> we saw data from the nih on mix and match that antibody levels for mixing and matching were veryctually do quite well as well. any one of these vaccines can really be used to boost any one of the others. >> joining me now nbc news medical contributor. good to see you, my friend. lots of questions. millions more people are eligible for boosters. so how do you decide which one to get? is it better to get a different vaccine? and where do you go to either get it or get the information you need? >> alex, i think what i'd like to do is divide it into what the nih study told us and what we still don't know. the nih study was simply what we call an immunogenicitiy study which means they took all these different combinations of primary vaccines and then boost it with all three of the vaccines. and what we found was is that if you mixed and matched, you got the same or better antibody response at two weeks. what we don't know, however, and this is the key thing, is whether or not those higher antibodies measured at two weeks actually translates into better protection, better effectiveness

harvey risch from yale, has federal bureaucracy whether nih or dr. out there that provide to federal government, have they ever contacted. >> you not that administration no. mark: do you think it's because, science and medicine, involve a lot of collaboration. a lot of discussion back and forth. when you dealing with something like a pandemic or new virus, or a new form of a virus. you are not the first outside expert i have asked this question, it appears to me other than a very close circle of scientists and doctors, nih, fda, the cdc, dr. anthony fauci and so forth, have done little reaching out to our top universities and colleges and top experts. have you found that to be the case. >> they do, but they reach out to people who have largely conflicts of interest consulting with pharma companies. they -- >> right. >> there is a perception that academic medical centers are the highest centers of knowledge. in some respects that is true. but when you talk about first line treatment of people for respirator illness, the front line doctors, the doctors

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needs to be held accountable for the 3 million and rising deaths. >> francis collins is the outgoing nih director who has been there for many years. he's on his way out the door. pointing to something, very remote possibility on the origin of the original virus, watch. >> most likely this was natural origin starting in bats, maybe traveling to an intermediate host. i can't rule out the possibility that secretly the wuhan institute got the virus and were studying it. i have no evidence to support that. laura: no evidence, there is certainly circumstantial evidence, the chances of this not being a lab leak are infinitesimal at this point. according to the wall street journal piece that came out today. >> it would have been april of last year on sunday's show, pretty likely this is what took place. we knew less than we know today, we know more than the likelihood this came from a lab is increasingly clear. the chance that this was a couple penguins seems very remote. a bunch of folks who were around this who covered this up and knew the work that had been done in the wuhan institute of viro

kennedy: so why has the nih been so iffy in terms of how it grants the gain of function research fundside? and seems like it's been an opaque process but it's been used to cover their findings people like francis collins and anthony fauci? >> scientists have a legitimate disagreement about the gain of function research but at this time, we need people blood and treasure was spent on the pandemic to be allowed in the room and have their own voice and whether it worthwhile. i have seen no benefit from gain of function research in respect to stopping the pandemic, none of the prior research was useful in stopping this. kennedy: you think anthony fauci is culpable and do you think he knows more than he's letting off? how is he still in charge if so? >> i'm a scientist so i will stick with the facts. he's been a strong component of gain of function research for over a decade. that's his scientific opinion, i disagree strongly with that but i think a lot of the things you've seen come out of the nih fall from that fundamental feeling or understanding he has of the benefit that i disagree wit

now, fauci has been occurring favor since the early days at nih. 2005 book about the eight epidemic shows how larry kramer booked a audience with fauci and if you want an appointment, we do not call the secretary, you call the press officers who booked their talks and interviews like movie stars. you could have easily advocated awareness as a preventative treatment and the fact that the federal aid czar influence is and was infamous. it's the same tony fauci. fast forward. remember, you do. he dismissed promisee therapeutics like hydroxychloroquine despite please from the doctors would use them successfully on thousands of patients. this is across the globe by the way. the fda follow suit. how many lives could have been saved? how many lives do you think could have been saved had people had an open mind about hydroxychloroquine? >> i struggle with that one. i start to think about it. our numbers were staggering were staggering. >> laura: we could have saved 10,000 lives? >> no, more than that. >> laura: 100,000? >> laura, i hate to say things like that, but, yes. >> laura: of course, fauc

reiner, the white house says they will announce a nominee for the nih.d quickly to fill any positions. i mean, it is pretty stunning, right? you are facing the biggest public health crisis in american history and the fda's gone nine months without a permanent leader. now, obviously, dr. collins, incredibly respected leader and face of the nih stepping aside. and we are just going to have nothing? >> yeah. you know, i -- you know, we hear a lot of different voices and, you know, in recent weeks, we -- we've seen what happens when the folks speaking to the country aren't speaking from the same page. we saw the president announce an ambitious booster plan to boost the entire country essentially all age groups starting at the end of september. and then, in multiple steps, finally, having to walk that back as both fda and cdc advisory committees balked on the original administration plan. and this all speaks to a lack of -- of coordination. you know, we have -- we've seen cdc struggle with -- with messaging. as you said, there is no formal fda -- permanent fd

tonight, according to politico, the nih director -- he's been there for over three decades -- francis collins, is going to announce he'll be leaving laura: big news according to politico. the nih director who has been there for three decades, francis collins, is going to announce he will be leaving the agency. will fauci be next? francis collins is an subject to many foia requests and some of not been responded to. will they ever be? we will keep you up to date. gutfeld is next. >> to protect me and millions like me. >> tuesday october 5th. activists deploy more aggressive tactics against moderate democrats standing in the way of president biden's spending plan but the commander-in-chief says this is part of being a politician. >> at the same time president biden justice department launching an effort to combat threats against school officials and teachers. some are calling it an attempt to bully concerned parents into silence. hunter biden's business back in the headlines. the latest question the white house is declining to answer. you are watching "fox and friends first" on tuesday

carley: nonprofit eco-health alliance funneled 600,$000 of its nih grant money to the wuhan lab claiming eco-health was not clear about the work being done there. in july 2020 of the height of the pandemic doctor fauci was pressed by senator rand paul about gain of function research. >> nih funded it. it was responsible for the deaths of individuals? i totally resent that. if anybody is lying here, senator, it is you. carley: senator fall said fauci's dance has been interested, the white house's top coronavirus advisor needs to answer for it. >> he has been going around the subject and never explained why it is not gain of function but his explanation is this, we didn't know we would gain function. that is what a gain of function experiment is. if you have half a brain, it might be more deadly. this research could really something that could destroy civilization. that is coming from a scientist. that should scare us all. carley: it was awarded for a 5-year period between 2014, and 2019. alec baldwin kills a cinematographer after firing a prop gun on a movie set, he is seen in tears follo