i want to just start on this nih thing. this is one of those things where, you know, you started seeing people that are involved. these are all sort of routine functions. there's these committees that get together, they review grants, their calendar, you know, way ahead of time. and these are thousands of people across the country. and you started seeing yesterday being like, we got canceled. this got canceled. do you understand what's going on? have you did you ever do something like this? has this happened before? and i'm just wrong about how strange and unprecedented it is. chris, thanks for. >> having me. and first. >> no, i can't tell you. >> that anyone can tell you at a time when everything was halted. pause or whatever you want to call it, where all the work of science is put on hold. and obviously patients who are suffering from cancer. >> who are. >> looking for that next. >> cure are not. >> not interested. in a pause. >> yeah. my understanding is that there's actually clinical trials that may be implicated here

i quoted an nih funded and nih funded study. >> did you say -- >> i quoted an in age study -- an nih study. >> i will take that as a yes. i have to move on. did you say that line disease is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure to put in the highly likely. did you say lime disease is a highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon. >> i likely -- >> i want them to hear it. did you say exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> no. >> i have the record i will get to the chairman and he can make his judgment about what you said. did you write in your book that it is undeniable that african aids is an entirely different disease from western aids? yes or no. >> i'm not sure. >> i will give to the chairman, mr. kennedy. my final question, did you say on a podcast "i would not leave it, abortion, to the states." my belief is we should leave it to the woman. we should not leave it to the government, even if it is full term. >> i believe every abortion is a tragedy. >> did you say it, mr. kennedy? this matters, it doesn't matter what you come he

nih said not enough people are doing it. an nih study called it the gold standard. treating for opioid use disorder. you are on a mission against chronic disease. you talk about obesity. i wanted to get your thoughts, if you support other types of glp-1, other types of those drugs to fight obesity? mr. kennedy: the glp-1 drugs, the class of miracle drugs, i do , they are a miracle, but i do not think they should be the front line intervention for six-year-old kids, for whom they are currently -- that is the standard practice now. if every american who qualifies for a glp by being overweight, 74% of the population will last -- ask for them and the federal government was paying for, it would cost over $1 trillion per year. it would double the insurance cost for employers in this country and it would be a tsunami. sen. kim: you said you support it but you don't see it being the tool of choice for young kids? mr. kennedy: for people with morbid obesity, diabetes, absolutely. and they shouldn't be prescribed alone without also prescriptions for exercise because otherwise

fda and cdc at nih, prioritizing, only so many hours in the day. how are we mapping that out to the community, i want to give a shout to the secretary, don o'connell, maybe out of necessity i did not have. >> i'm going to recognize my friend. >> thank you very much. i would like to focus on two facets. it's no secret, i teach a course at yale and the reaction to the chinese security issues, we don't have the lines of brilliant chinese researchers mixing with american researchers. where that shows up is a eyewear the chinese are doing a lot. i wonder if you could dig deeper if were paying a price from the decoupling with medicine and other factors effectively in diagnostics. >> thank you for that. we try to keep open channels of diplomacy, cdc has a small one person embedded in beijing and i have spoken with my counterpart, we all learned a threat anywhere is a threat everywhere but we have not delved into ai others. we make sure to exchange information and keep as much communication open as possible. >> there is a concern about datasharing and i wo

people who think, oh, nih workers.ause nih is the number one funder of university research and medical schools and schools of public health. and so this is in certain ways, you know, for all the epidemiologists who told trump he was wrong, this is his retribution against all these medical and public health scientists who said, you know, vaccines work. you know, we need to, you know, do these precautionary things, wear masks. this is retribution. and when these squeezes and shuts down these study sections, the domino effect is a lot of these scientists won't get funded for another half a year. the domino effect will be huge. and also what's not been reported enough is that not only has there been this freeze, but the nih has politically removed all grant awards for any racial disparities, any racial and of course, lgbt, the disparities as well. so if pages are used to say we will fund racial disparity research in cancer, heart disease, diabetes, anything mentioning racial disparities have now been deleted by the trump a

i just i just quoted an nih funded an nih published study. >> did you say that it targets black and white people but spared ashkenazi? >> i quoted a study, your honor. i quoted an nih study that showed that. >> i'll take that as. >> a yes. >> i have to move on. mr. i have to move on. did you say that lyme disease is a is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure i put in the highly likely. did you say lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> did you say that? >> that's what. the developer of. >> i want all of our colleagues to hear it, mr. kennedy. i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> no, i never said that. >> okay, i have the record that i'll give to the chairman, and he can make his judgment about what you said. did you write in your book? and i it's undeniable that african american african aids is an entirely different disease from western aids. yes or no? mr. kennedy? >> i'm not sure. if i may. >> i'll give it to the chairman. mr.

he's going to instruct the nih to have no ideology. he's going to start the nih with one simple directive. the good wife our kids are getting sick. he's going to usher in in a e of transparency. we need to trust the american patient, not intend allies you guys but with accurate information with no fear or favor and budget as the american patient make your own decision. there's going to be a golden age of deregulation and conflict of interest reduction of the fda. i'm a hot agenda is a goal if one will have access to great there. with the i enable doctors in her pockets to and ability to steer the $4.5 trillion of health care away from foreign owned and chinese owned pharmaceutical companies and to american farmers. it's fun to be incentivizing sunlight, food, exercise. meditation. we are getting sick because of interconnected aquatic disease crisis that's tied to these basic things that our medical system has lost sight of and again donald trump's directive is twofold. did you guys the truth and let you make your own decisions. ladies

i just i just quoted an nih funded an nih. published study. >> did you say that it targets black and white people but spared ashkenazi? >> i quoted a study, your honor. i quoted an nih study that showed that. >> i'll take that as. >> a yes. >> i have to move on. mr.. i have to move on. did you say that lyme disease is a is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure i put in the highly likely. did you say lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> did you say. >> that? that's what the developer of. >> i want all of our colleagues to hear it. mr. kennedy, i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> no, i never said that. >> okay, i have the record that i'll give to the chairman, and he can make his judgment about what you said. did you write in your book and i. it's undeniable that african americans, african aids is an entirely different disease from western aids. yes or no? >> mr. ke

and project warp speed had cdc, fda, nih, and barda very much in the mix. now, some people think that you're going to come in here and insert yourself into those agencies in a way that's never been done before. let's say that they're they're a part of a future project, warp speed. is that your intent to go in and do something that's that's never been done before? based on my staff's research, and insert yourself in a discussion that the scientists are dealing with in those different agencies. >> no, senator, i what i want to do is i'm not a scientist. i want to empower scientists. i want to make sure that science is unobstructed by vested or economic interests. >> that's good. >> i got that culture. and i'll just say about operation warp speed, it was an extraordinary accomplishment. should demonstration of leadership by president trump when he when he promoted operation warp speed, he was looking at all of the different remedies, including vaccines. >> therapeutics. >> therapeutics, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, gemcitabine, even chlorine dioxide all. an

i just quoted an nih-funded, an nih-published study. i quoted a study. i quoted an nih study that showed that. >> i will note that. did you say that lyme disease is highly likely a materially evening erred bioweapon? did you say lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> did you say that -- >> i want all of our colleagues to hear it, mr. kennedy. i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender. >> no, i never said that. >> i have the record that i will give to the chairman and he can make his judgment about what you said. did you write in your book, it is undeniable that african aids is an entirely different disease from western aids, yes or no, mr. kennedy? >> i'm not sure if i made that. >> i will give it to the chairman. my final question, did you say on a podcast, and i quote, i wouldn't leave it, abortion to the states. my belief is we should leave it to the woman. we shouldn't have the government involved even if it's full term.

now at nih, we should be giving at least 20% of the nih budgets to replication. we should have to make sure that all the science is published with the raw data. we should make sure that the peer reviews are also published. we and you know, and i'll give you a quick example. 20 years ago, hhs, nih scientists did a study on amyloid on alzheimer's, which they said it was caused by amyloid plaque. after that, nih shut down studies of any other hypothesis. 20 years later, we now know that those studies were fraudulent. nih has funded 800 studies on a fraudulent hypothesis, and we've lost 20 years in figuring out how to a cure for alzheimer's. and that's just one example. i could give you hundreds. we need to end that. we need to end the old boys system. we need to have replicable science and be completely transparent about raw data. >> thank you sir. in recent years, particularly during. >> the covid pandemic, there's. >> been a lot of. skepticism about our public health institutions. some of this. >> i would say. >> is. >> warranted, but. >> it's now. created a perva

we ought to give at least 20% at nih to replication. we should make sure that all the science is published with raw data. we should make sure the peer reviews are also published. and i will give you a quick example, 20 years ago, scientists did a study on alzheimer's, which they said was caused by amyloid plaque. after that, nih shut down studies of any other hypothesis. 20 years later, we know that those studies were fraudulent. nih has funded 800 studies on a fraudulent hypothesis, and we've lost 20 years figuring out a cure for alzheimer's. that is just one example i can give you. we need to end that. we need to end the old boy system. if you need to have replicated both science and be completely transparent. sen. young: all right. thank you, sir. in recent years, particularly during the covid pandemic, there's been a lot of skepticism about our public health institutions. some of this, i would say, is warranted, but it has now created a precise if -- a pervasive lack of trust from the public, that these institutions are acting in ba

hawley: nih, under the first trump presidency, hhs stopped new nih research that involved human fetal tissue from elective abortions. now you were asked about this sort of tangentially yesterday by senator cantwell, and i want to get your quote right. you said to her correctly, you said stem cell research today can be done on umbilical cords. you don't need any fetal tissue, which is correct. my question to you is, will you reinstate president trump's policy that ensures that no federal research and no federal tax dollars is conducted on fetal tissue taken from elective abortion? mr. kennedy: yes. sen. hawley: fantastic. let me ask you about title x. you were asked about this yesterday too, and i, and i think i understand your answer. i just want to be sure i've got it crystal clear. title x which prohibits the , funding of the use of federal taxpayer funding for abortions or to flow to entities like planned parenthood that perform abortions or refer people to abortions, you were asked yesterday if you would support president trump's rule that says no title x funding for those who per

but really the backbone of research is nih and other federal dollars.hine that is the us scientific enterprise. it just i do not think it can be done. >> can i. >> ask quickly about the trump administration pausing most external communications from the department of health and human services? can this be chalked up to federal agencies just adjusting to a new administration? i mean, i'm curious the information doctors rely on that might not be now totally up to date. given the pause. >> yeah. >> super concerning. and there's no clear end date to it. but, you know, this is information we all rely on. you know, weekly reports on emerging diseases, our ability to detect when there may be a next epidemic or pandemic. it's very concerning. you know, part of what's shut down is also our ability to go to conferences, to travel, to go to scientific meetings where we can discuss important collaborate, you know, emerging, emerging science. and so, yeah, this is really inhibiting what's an entire scientific process and our ability to, to make sure that that america

and the nih is a $48 billion organization.the largest public funder of biomedical research in the world. and so these study sessions are important parts of the process to award funds to scientists doing all kinds of work across, you know, the entire country. and right now, we don't know, you know, does this stop february 1st or does this go on longer? and that's what's really worrying the entire academic infrastructure right now, john. >> it's just an unsettling period of uncertainty for a lot of people involved in some very important research. all right. meg tirrell, thank you for this reporting. keep us posted kate. >> looking overseas right now, russian president vladimir putin praising president donald trump in an interview that aired on russian state television. putin called donald trump in this interview a smart and pragmatic person, while also claiming that, as he called it, the crisis in ukraine, the war, the invasion of ukraine, he said, might not have happened, might have been prevented if donald trump was in power t

meetings at the nih to review these grant proposals. they were abruptly. >> told that. >> those meetings had been canceled. we obtained information that said, essentially some advisory meetings had been. >> canceled until. >> february 1st, but that all other nih. sponsored meetings have been. canceled until further notice. and so that really grinds to a halt. this process of reviewing grant proposals and means, essentially, that the funding process can't happen at nih. and that has put a lot of people and a lot of fear about what's going on, because they don't know how long this will last. sara. and i'm hearing if it's more than a couple days, it's going to be tremendously. >> disruptive to research. wow. what is hhs saying about this, as we are sort of on the on the cusp of potentially seeing trump's nominee for the secretary of hhs to be put in place? >> yeah. so hhs essentially calls. >> this a short. >> pause to to allow what they say is the new team to set up a process for review and prioritization. they do note that there are exce

genie and of course monica at nih. much more interaction, make sure we are planning together. and importantly, prioritizing together. there are only some of hours in a day and our resources are all constrained. we really want to make sure we are focusing on those important threats. how are we doing the research on it, the diagnostic test event limit, and how are we thinking of mapping that to the communities of need. we all see different pieces of the puzzle, but i think working really collaboratively -- and i do want to give also shout out to don, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response, don o'connell i think has done a terrific job there. all of us, i really feel a fantastic team cohesion there in a way that maybe out of necessity i didn't have when i was in the obama administration, which we do have in the moment. and i hope to see that continue. dr. varmus: the audience may want to probe you on your anticipated view of the new appointees and how well they are going to direct. so, there are people with microphones, i hope. please identify yourself. remember, t

you know, it really is based on the backbone of the nih. and, you know, we look forward to collaborating from that perspective as well. >> at the same time, i've not seen i got to tell you, i look at every company that does business in china, and what they're all fighting for is just hoping to be not down 10%. and most can't do it. you have very good chinese numbers, and i know you've always had a great relationship with with the chinese people, chinese companies, chinese regime. it seems to have turned and yet there's no subsidies for the group. is this just organic growth in china? >> yeah. so when i look at the year in china, the market conditions are muted just as the way you characterized it. but we were able to grow our business and we grew our business in the low single digits for the full year and actually grew in the mid-single digits in the fourth quarter. that's really a testament to our team that's doing a great job and the relevance of our technologies. you know, strong demand for our instruments. and, you know, we continue to

project work speed had at cdc, nih and -- very much in the mix. some people think you will come in here and insert yourself into those agencies in a way that's never been done before. let's say that they are part of a future project work speed. is it your intent to go in and do something that has never been done before, based on my staff's research, and insert yourself in a discussion that scientists are dealing with in those different agencies? >> no, senator. what i want to do is -- i'm not a scientist. i want to empower scientists. i want to make sure that science is unobstructed. i will just say about operation work speed, it was an extraordinary compliment, it showed a demonstration of leadership by president trump. when he promoted operation work speed, he was looking at the different remedies, including vaccines. >> therapeutics, everything appeared. >> and he was not looking at shutting down our country for the year, forcing people to wear masks for a year. forcing that social distancing that did not have any scientific basis, which dr. fa

we should be giving at least 20% of the nih's budget to replication. we should make sure all the science follows the raw data. we need to make sure the peer reviews are also published. i'll give you a quick example. 20 years ago, hhs -- nis scientists did a study on alzheimer's which they said it was caused by plaque. after that nih shut down studies of any other hypothesis. 20 years later we now know that those studies were fraudulent. nih has funded 800 studies on a fraudulent hypothesis, and we've lost 20 years figuring out a cure for alzheimer's. that's just one example. i could give hundreds. we need to end that. we need to end the old boys system and have replicated bold science and be completely transparent about our raw data. >> thank you, sir in. recent years, particularly during the covid pandemic, there has been a lot of skepticism about our public health institutions. some of this i would say is warranted, but it's now created a pervasive lack of trust from the public that these institutions are acting in bad faith or failing to act objecti

over the past decade was researched by nih. if you or a loved one get sick and wonder what options will save your life, your doctor will suggest a treatment developed by nih. late last week president trump ordered nih to stop all grant review and adversary council meetings which will allows them to decide what funding proposals -- their funding proposals. president trump ordered a stop to all federal grant funding, including at the national institutes of health. i know this happened because the major universities in the chicagoland area, whom i respect so much, called me in a panic said that we are supposed to stop all of our research and we're in the middle of critical things and i had to say that is what this would do. there are nearly $38 billion in research grants to all states, they generate $92 billion in economic activity and facilitate lifesaving research. the number one cause of death in the united states is heart disease, but there are others, cancer, unintentional injury, drug overdose, stroke, respiratory disease an

>> i didn't say it was deliberately targeted, i just -- i just quoted an nih funded, an nih-published study. >> stephen: about that study: the washington post fact-checked it and said the study in reference did not state those conclusions. well, to quote shakespeare, "you can't just say you're quoting someone and then make up whatever you want, ya numb nuts." [applause] beautiful. you can't just quote somebody. but the highlight of the hearing was when senator bernie sanders confronted kennedy about a group that kennedy founded which sells anti-vax merch. >> you have started a group called the children's health defense. you're the originator. right now as i understand it, on their website, they are selling what's called onesies. these are little things, clothing for babies. >> stephen: "these things, it's a onesie, not to be confused with a burp cloth, which is for babies' spit-up. fun fact: there's no law you can't use it as an adult. when i go to lunch, i keep one right here. it's great for mopping up soup! but this is a onesie!" bernie continued. >> one of them is titled "unvaxxed,

disorder itself. >> what we are doing all. >> of that. >> research through nih. now, why would anyone want to cut. >> that off? >> nobody can. >> figure it out. >> is it coming. >> from rfk jr. >> because they want. >> to try. to slam. >> the door. on vaccines? why are they saying we can't engage in communication with the public about diseases. and flu when we've got the avian flu, the bird flu, which is now rampant in lots of parts of the country. >> one of the things i think that people are battling with is this sense that, like, nothing matters, that that, you know, people talked about project 2025 in the campaign. he distanced himself from it. he won anyway. does any of this break through my contention? i just watched local news packages running on local news tonight about like phoenix fire department to be cut off from funds like i do think it matters first person as a member of congress, a day like today is qualitatively different, right? like every member of congress today was getting calls from people, whatever their politics, wherever they represent, lik

now we're shutting down nih. that's why i say, to what end? >> right.in, i know you're doing it rhetorically because he doesn't want to take credit for vaccines because it suddenly became not popular to do so. among his base. um, i just want to get to some of what voters who voted for him think we have some terrific focus group sound from somebody who is a georgia swing voter, voted for donald trump in 2024. >> it's mind boggling. >> i think it's setting. >> a bad example, um, that people can do all this criminal activity and get away with it. so then to me, it'll just cause others to feel that they can do it and it'll increase and they can just get away with it. it sets a precedent that if trump. >> says something. >> they go off something. he ignites that possibly they won't have. >> to face the consequences. >> of their actions. >> people that commit a crime should pay for their crime. >> so these voters are pretty upset about the the pardons for the january 6th rioters. >> and we saw that even back in his debate with kamala harris, like that was his

i just i just quoted an nih funded an nih published study. >> did you say that it. targets black and. >> white. >> people but spared ashkenazi? >> i quoted a study, your honor. i quoted the nih study that showed. >> i'll take. >> that. >> as a yes. >> i have to move on. >> mr. >> i have to move on. >> did you say that lyme disease is a is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure. >> i put. >> in the highly likely. did you say lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> did you say that? >> that's what. >> i want all of our colleagues to hear it. mr. kennedy, i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> no, i never said that. >> okay. >> i have the record that i'll give to. >> the chairman. >> and he. >> can make his. judgment about what. >> you said. did you write in your book? >> and i. >> it's undeniable. that african american african. >> aids is an entirely different disease from. western aids. >> yes or no? >> mr. ken

it's more than vaccines, he doesn't believe in infectious disease research, he wants to stop it, cut nih. he wants to cut the f.d.a. he doesn't believe in public health. he doesn't believe in the science behind public health. he's a conspiracy theorist. he's a misinformation artist. he's a grifter and today he'll be a gaslighter, but i want to give you one statistic from "the washington post" story yesterday. he's going to appear before the finance committee today and the health committee tomorrow and so two appearances he's going to gaslight the american people and try to gaslight enough republican senators to get confirmed. but "the washington post" sounded just in recent years, he appeared 114 times in interviews and podcasts and other public appearances, 114 times he appeared spreading vaccine disinformation, saying that vaccines are dangerous. saying that they are riskier than what they do to help, that more people die from them than are saved, 36 times specifically he appeared in recent years saying that childhood vaccines lead to autism, which is-- has been disproven, debunked and

>> president biden this year changed 3,000 employees at hhs, 3,000, 750 at nih. >> what departments are you going to pick them from? >> the same as president biden did when he changed 3,000 out. >> i'm down to a minute 30. chairman has been generous with colleagues on both sides. i may have to go a couple minutes over. just answer this would be -- i hope since you are asking to become the top healthcare official in the united states in terms of hhs, huge ramifications and part of this job is to be the senior advisor to the president of health issues. when he look at the purge and laying off workers and looking at the president's illegal offer to try to buy out federal employees, which i would say any federal employees, think twice. has this individual in his business world ever fulfilled his contracts or obligations to any workers in the past? but if you are in this position, will you pledge that you will not fire federal employees who work on food safety, work on trying to prevent things like salmonella. >> there are 91,000 employees. >> that's a simple yes or no. i take that as a no.

and the scientists who work at the nih, they also get pretty good trust ratings. i think one of the concerns here is with rfk jr. and president trump, their trust when it comes to health specifically is not very high. and there's a lot of distrust, as you can see on the far right of that screen as well. so i think that these that's going to sort of be where a lot of these questions revolve. we're going to hear about vaccines, i'm sure hear about hiv, hear about germ theory, hear about all these different things. but overall, just the trust that you have in institutions or individuals to lead health. >> the public health community. sanjay, what do they want? asked at these hearings i think there's there's going to be it's going to be a day, john. >> i mean, there's going to be a lot of different questions because he has had rfk jr. has had such a long record of commenting on health issues. he started as an environmental lawyer talking about the environment sort of started really integrating human health into his discussions around environmental health. he's said in

nih spend on childhood disease, what are they spending on self-imposed disease? r.f.k. jr. don't care who comes after me, i'm not backing down. that reminded me of rr.f.k. >> ainsley: i'm here for the public, not for me. new report claims federal workers are living in fear and chaos as president trump disrupts the status quo. >> lawrence: kayleigh mcenany reacts with that next. watching my mom struggle with recurring utis held us both back. then she found uqora. uqora offers uti relief and science-backed supplements for proactive urinary health. life's too short to be put on hold by utis. join us at uqora.com >> janice: we are watching dca, the airport where we had a ground stop, but things lifted now. a lot of airport airplanes and light rain. the rest of the northeast, rain, ice, freezing rain and snow for interior sections of parts of upstate new york to new england. it is going to be messy today.e. better day saturday. not a lot of snow, it is no nuisance weather and will cause travel issues. that system across the east. west coast, we have an atmospheric river for part

nih has huge program, esteem program looks to give money and probably in order of billion dollars nihivities that donald trump advance scientific enterprise in this country. >> todd: first question through positivity, next question through negativity. were patient outcomes and health compromised because of dei past few years? >> you know, it is hard to answer that question. we have to very it indirectly. medical students that have entered medical school through minority programs have performed less well, we have data on that. resi residency programs where individuals are trained, minority students perform less well. those who perform less well on board certifying exam have worse patient outcomes, we have to imply there is change in quality of healthcare, it is hard to measure quality in healthcare. healthcare is a team enterprise and hard to point to one person responsible for clinical outcome. my personal view, yes, we have compromised american healthcare and we need to stop at this point. >> todd: we are not saying minority caregivers are not up to par. a close family member of mine

i quoted an nih study that showed that. >> i'll take that. >> as a yes. >> but kennedy, from the start argued he was not anti-vax. >> news reports have claimed that i am anti-vaccine or any industry. i am neither. i am pro safety. >> republicans defended kennedy, a former democrat who now has vowed to stay in line with trump's positions even on issues like abortion. >> i serve at the pleasure of the president. i'm going to implement his policies. >> and on kennedy's pledge to find answers on causes of chronic illness. >> i thought, wow, here's somebody from the left, somebody i don't agree with on many issues politically coming together with president trump. and focusing on an area of agreement. >> all these democrats are opposed to me for partisan issues. they used to be my friends. >> but as kennedy. >> sought to ease gop concerns over abortion, he opened himself up to democratic attacks. >> my question. >> is exactly when did you decide to sell out your life's work and values to get this position? >> senator, i agree with president trump that every abortion is a tragedy. >> kennedy'

nih research. >> as as chairman crapo pointed out, i'm not asking for i love mike crapo. i'm asking you, you're up. >> very. very important position. >> as he pointed out, senator, the let me just that we're closed. we're not closed as a result of the trump. let me just tell you i'd like you to explain. excuse me, sir, i'd. >> like you. >> to. >> explain to a domestic violence. >> center in. richmond that's saying. >> because this. >> freeze. >> they may. >> have to close down. where are. >> those. >> battered women to go? >> or a. >> rural nonprofit? i've got. >> in the shenandoah. >> valley saying. >> that freeze. >> is going. >> to potentially. >> shut down their ability. >> to operate. so i don't i guess if you deny or don't know what your campaign is sending out. you don't. know if you raised a lot of money monday night. i'm saying that the trump you don't know. you don't know if you raise a lot of money. the trump administration has made clear that it does not want to freeze benefits for any americans under medicaid or medicare. and i do not want there are medicaid

i just quoted an nih study. >> i have to move on.ay that lyme disease is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure i put in the highly likely. did you say it was a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> i want all of our colleagues to hear it. i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> i never said that. anchor: let's speak to the former governor of new hampshire . thank you for joining us. some fairly spiky exchanges on capitol hill today. >> if you think you are going to find the best person for the job in washington for any of those jobs, it is not the way it pans out. he is absolutely unafraid. he is willing to pull back the curtain on a very broken health care system here in the u.s. on a whole variety of metrics. he wants to break all of that down. he wants to make sure that people have options and choices pier 1 third -- one thing we heard a lot today was about vaccines. that is important but t

of the nih, to be in charge of the cdc. and he's got all these theories that he's got about vaccines. and he told the people in samoa that if they used that a measles outbreak and they shouldn't take a measles vaccine, well, they had 81 people die because people listened to him and didn't take the measles vaccine. and it spread and it spread. we need to use vaccines are wonderful. uh, panacea in the world that was given to us and jonas salk and doctor sabin gave us the polio vaccine. and other physicians who a great job in scientists producing this. and we need to use those vaccines and those scientists and abilities. uh, not not stop them and put a stop on them like trump has done with our with our financial support for children and people that need food. >> i just want to be clear for our viewers, because there's been a lot to track over the last week plus, right? um, there has been no pledge or vow to to stop vaccinations from trump and rfk jr.. they have said they want to do more research. they want to look at them, but

i just i just quoted an nih funded an nih published study. >> did you say that it. >> targets black andquoted a study, your honor. i quoted an nih study that showed that. >> i'll take that. >> as a yes. >> i have. >> to move on. mr. i have to move on. did you say that. >> lyme disease. >> is a. >> is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure i put in the highly likely. did you say lyme disease is a highly likely. militarily engineered bioweapon? >> i probably did say that. >> did you say that? >> that's what. the developer of. >> i want all of our. >> colleagues to. >> hear it, mr. kennedy. i want them to hear it. you said yes. did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to. become transgender? >> no, i never said that. >> okay, i have. >> the record that i'll give to the. >> chairman, and he can make his. >> judgment about what you said. did you write in your book? >> and i it's. >> undeniable that african american african. aids is an entirely different. >> disease from. >> western aids. yes or no? >> mr. kennedy? i'm not sure. if i may. >> i'll give. >>

right now, the nih is also investing in the brain initiative.o figure out how the 86 billion do what they do. some of what they do is to process music in a way that touches your very soul. a way that if we understood it better, we could make this an even more effective healing opportunity that does not require you to take a pill. in building a lot of researchers from these organizations it is ready to push this. as far as we can. perhaps try to train a whole new generation of investigators that are equally excited. it is not hard to find that. scientists tend to be musically interested. we have the critical mass potential, we just have to merger it and make it happen. >> your enthusiasm is electric. also gave men the opportunity to know 86 billion. >> each one of them has about 1000 connections. this is the most complicated structure in the known universe. >> that is dynamite. >> i love this. >> is an artist from the twin cities, living there i have had the opportunity to attend events where they start with a sound that. sound bathing, for those

other intelligence agencies have been inconclusive president trump's nominee to lead the nih.ional institutes of health has expressed support for a pause in gain of function research. he is awaiting senate confirmation. this week trump issued executive order on first day withdrawing the u.s. from the world health organization the w.h.o. happened first in 2020. president biden brought us back. in but there has been a lot of focus on what was happening behind the scenes with gain of function research. we know senator rand paul of kentucky has been outspoken about this saying he still wants to investigate what was happening you remember anthony fauci got a full pardon from president biden just before he left office earlier this week. >> steve: mark, we will talk about that in a moment. thank you very much. it was in 021 the u.s. intel report came out and said covid was probably the result of some sort of an accident rather than deliberate biological engineering. we may never know for sure but we do know that what they do is they try to make viruses more virulent or contagious. ul

i quoted an nih funded and nih funded study. >> did you say -- >> i quoted an in age study -- an nih>> i will take that as a yes. i have to move on. did you say that line disease is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon? i made sure to put in the highly likely. did you say lime disease is a highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon. >> i likely -- >> i want them to hear it. did you say exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender? >> no. >> i have the record i will get to the chairman and he can make his judgment about what you said. did you write in your book that it is undeniable that african aids is an entirely different disease from western aids? yes or no. >> i'm not sure. >> i will give to the chairman, mr. kennedy. my final question, did you say on a podcast "i would not leave it, abortion, to the states." my belief is we should leave it to the woman. we should not leave it to the government, even if it is full term. >> i believe every abortion is a tragedy. >> did you say it, mr. kennedy? this matters, it doesn't matter what you come here and s