just like nij. the practitioners in the field get this. they know what does not work.when they hear about some of that seems logical, they get into it right away. judge long and i did not know about each other. there are a lot of similarities in the program. i was thrilled. i work with the folks back home to try to get 24/7 started. he has worked to get home started into the coda. >> let me ask judge long -- what would you say in response to someone who would claim that this program is being soft on crime? that the better way of dealing with them is sending them to prison? >> well -- my experience with the public is, the public is not particularly offended by people on probation. peoplere offended by his on probation that they perceive are not being supervised or accountable. and, my program, holds them accountable. the feedback that i get from the family says, everytime i have spoken about hope -- 24/7, family members come up to me and say gosh, larry, i was to program had been around when my husband was tricking or my down or my brother or my son. or, in some variati