and in today's "new york times," nik kristoff writes that if the aim is to educate us, bravo. joining us is nik kristoff and you came out with the column "bruce jenner's courage" and new york times. >> well he was my childhood hero and he was a track runner and i was too, in oregon, and we all wanted to be bruce jenner. i have not thought about him for a long time. >> he has been transitioning to become a woman. >> yes, a transgendered woman. and it is so important, because there is no can communeity in america more marginalized and more subject to mockery and dis discrimination, because 0.3% of americans are transgender and we don't put a face on it, and now we have bruce jennerr's. >> and how so? >> because we have president obama for the first time in the state of the union address to are refer to transjen -- transgendered people and for bruce jenner to come out, this is a moment that people can identify with and dissolve that prejudice. >> we are about the same age and growing up bruce jenner was my idol and so was mark spitz and my sister was in love with both of them win