and nikita khrushchev made that happen. so, we have come a long way and the person who has watched that journey is simeon booker. simeon booker, ladies and gentlemen, if you do not know, jet magazine would not be jet magazine without simeon booker and his piece. [applause] joe: and his wife, carol, is right beside him and let's give her a round of applause. [applause] joe: now, first of all thank you for being here. let's get to this, you were on the committee that actually decided to invite dr. mlk to be the speaker, to the best of your recollection, what went on in that meeting? what was it like? and carol, you can fill in, because i know you have an extensive paragraph in his autobiography about that meeting, but what you remember, simeon? simeon: [indiscernible] carol: what do you remember about the decision to invite dr. king? he did remember when he wrote this book. he has asked me to -- joe: let's see if this might jar his memory. carol: and 97, memory fades with every day. this is from "shocking the conscience." sim