it may very well be that nikki haley's split is with nikki haley. she made these comments a month ago. i think it's interesting, jennifer rodgers, as we're in this impeachment trial, about that dichotomy. the inside the chamber and outside the chamber. so much focus on, oh, the votes aren't there. it's a foregone conclusion. it's not a foregone conclusion about what america thinks about this or about what the lasting historical impact of this is. and nikki haley's statements, albeit from a month ago and who knows where she will be next month or an hour from now, things can change depending on the presentation. so how will that affect do you think what we see today, what we see tomorrow and just, in germ, the trial? >> it's a really good question. that's why you're seeing so many of these republicans who plan to acquit relying on things other than the facts, right? they are talking about the constitutional argument still, even though that was already resolved on tuesday. they're talking about this bogus first amendment defense which has been roundly

nikki haley knows many people feel voter i.d.ect of suppressing votes. even if they sound perfectly harmless. and another representative who stands in contrast of nikki haley's. nikki haley. >> it's time to remove the flag from the capitol grounds. we can say that flag integral of our past does not represent the future of our great state. >> appears to be the same version of nikki haley who said this about donald trump in the political cpolitico interview. >>> we need to acknowledge he led us down went down a path he shouldn't have and we shouldn't have followed him and shouldn't have listened to him and we can't let that ever happen again. behold, it's happening again. steve scalise, latest house republican leader going to kiss the ring at mar-a-lago. fox allowing trump on its air to keep lying about what caused the insurrection in the first place and all but seven senators giving trump a pass for his role in the insurrection. your party is at a crisis point ambassador. you want to keep kicking the can down both sides of the roa

you know, nikki haley is very interesting. i think where senator cassidy from louisiana has kind of wound up in all of this is fascinating to watch. he's not a rino, he's a real republican from a very red state. and you know, he voted in favor of jurisdiction in the senate, and yesterday, he had some very interesting comments and very pointed questions for the trump defense lawyers. so i think it is going to be very interesting to see the impact of what's come out in trial on the republican base. >> maggie, isn't this interesting? why does she see the political expediency of whatever the outcome is so differently than senators inside the chamber, such as ted cruz, josh hawley, why is she reading the political winds so differently? >> i assume it's because in her perspective run for president, because we all know she is looking at and likely to do, she's not going to occupy the sort of imitation version of trump, which to a josh hawley or tom cotton or a lesser extent to a ted cruz would. she's just in a different area politica

but i think nikki haley, she wants one foot in the trump camp and one foot out.d to do both. and so this uncivil war as we're calling it is just brewing up. there are factions developing who want a clean break from trump and trumpism. and she can defend the policies all she wants. but maybe she likes the protectionism. maybe she likes all the ag subsidies. maybe she likes the trampling of congress's article 1 authorities but a lot of us didn't agree with those policies. i think she's got a lot of explaining to do from my perspective. >> it's interesting abby because it seems like there was this moment right after the -- you know, the attack that a number of people were kind of seeing which way the wind was blowing. you have lindsey graham suddenly announcing that he was done with trump and sorry for the way it ended but he just can't do it anymore. and then you know, that certainly -- that was then and lindsey graham is now saying that trump's more important than ever and he wants the whole trump family involved in politics. >> yeah. i mean, the only thing i can

well, nikki haley _ marker for her own career? well, nikki haley does _ marker for her own career?e presidential aspirations and she strikes me as fairly opportunistic in terms of where she is going. i think that you know, she intends to take in whatever direction the political wind is blowing so maybe this is a harbinger of more republican speaking out publicly against trump. for her, it is a political calculation but that does not mean it is the right political calculation. clearly, the republican party is undergoing extreme political battles at the moment about its future direction but i�*m still somewhat sceptical that we will see a sharp pivot away from trump at least in the short term. trump at least in the short term. trump can lead acquittal in the senate trial to embolden his base and while four years as a lifetime in politics and trump may or may not decide to run again in 2024, what trump represents in the form of trump represents in the form of trump —ism is not going away and i think until donald trump is defeated he is still the de facto leader within the overlooking

i want your thoughts on something that nikki haley had to say about what happened on january 6 in an interview done by politco. she was deeply disturbed by the president's take towards mike pence on that day. she says i'm so disappointed in the fact that the loyalty and friendship that he had with mike pence, that he would do that to him. i'm disgusted by it. she talked about the fact that mike pence didn't have the courage to do what he should have done. she goes on to say, we shouldn't have followed the president when it came to the stolen election arguments. what is your reaction to what nikki haley, given the fact that she's a frontrunner for a potential 2024 presidential spot on the gop side? >> look, i think putting my political hat on, it makes it tougher for nikki haley to court what i would say are the maga supporters, those that supported president trump, if in fact the president decides not to run for office and nikki haley decides to toss her hat in the political arena and run for president in the next four years. i think at the end of the day, for nikki haley, she will h

chris christie and nikki haley in that category.ing the facts. it's a tragedy that we can count those members on one hand. >> garrett haake standing by, as he has been covering capitol hill, waiting to talk with us. garrett, a lot of the news overnight was something not prevented by the rules, because this is far from an ordinary jury trial. and that is the news the news that three of the -- let's put in air quotes -- impartial jurors met with the trump defense team last night to talk about strategy. >> reporter: that's right. we have to dispense with the notion that the senators are either impartial or jurors. they have superpowers no juror in a criminal trial would have. no juror can simply walk out of the room or vote to dismiss a trial while it's the many process. the senators have the right to do either one of those things. in the last impeachment trial, mitch mcconnell said he was coordinating hand-in-glove with the white house on donald trump's defense strategy. nevertheless, the meeting last night after hours with ted cruz,

we're talking about nikki haley, the former ambassador to the united nations.south carolina governor. and very possible 2024 presidential contender. she is breaking with the former president. this is in a brand-new interview with politico. this is part of what she says about the potential for another trump run. i don't think he's going to be in the picture. i don't think he can. he's fallen so far. we need to acknowledge he let us down. he went down the path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him and we can't ever let that happen again. with us too discuss that and his own decisions on the party, ambassador richard haass, also president of the council on foreign relations. very good to have you. we'll get to your decision in a moment, but i wonder what your reaction is to this from nikki haley and now. she had many chances before, but now? >> better late than never. the real question is whether she decides to set up shop and what you might call a halfway house, distancing herself from president trump but not

ambassador nikki haley put it this way. the order was framed as a matter of transgender rights. but really it was an attack on women's rights. my next guest is suing the connecticut interscholastic athletic conference over this policy. selena joins me now along with kristin wagner, general counselor at alliance defunding freedom. thank you both for being with me. first of all, you know, i'm curious from a student athlete perspective what that means to you and what you are fighting exactly? >> we're fighting for fairness

we saw very intriguing article about nikki haley in politico. a very long articleets into some of the very contradictory things haley has said about donald trump over time. but of course she serd in his administration. she has very rarely criticized him, considered a potential presidential candidate and maybe even a leading presidential candidate. and look what she said to tim alberta on january 12 published today. we need to acknowledge he, donald trump, let us, republicans, down. he went down a path we shouldn't have. and we shouldn't have followed him. and we shouldn't have listened to him. and we can't let that ever happen again. now, phil, unclear whether or not nikki haley still believes that. again, this was an interview she did a few weeks ago but how widespread is that view among republicans that they cannot listen to donald trump, they can't follow donald trump's lead anymore? phil: you know, the interesting thing, john, is i think if you were to do a silent survey of republican elected officials, you would find many of them in agreeme

nikki haley has attached herself to that crazy by seeking a meeting at mar-a-lago. her as todd aiken and roy moore, but there's a good amount of crazy to mine from these candidates who are seeking the trump, and democrats are going to have to take advantage of that while building their own infrastructure. >> is nikki haley going to be in that straw poll? >> her name will probably come up and she'll get one vote, maybe. >> okay. david, the fact that she may be in that, she may get one vote, it's only 2021. does she have time to make up? >> it all depends on what donald trump does in 2024. if he wants to control the process, it's his to control. if not, nikki will be a contender. but she hurt herself this week. >> always good to see you guys. we have a date next sunday. don't go anywhere. >>> up next, the confusion and fears around reopening schools. i'll speak with one teacher whose biggest concern may not be what you would expect. you woul. ? what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks? now they can! downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry sme

i mean a nikki haley examples a great example she gave a long interview to politico in which you said we should have never followed him we should have never listened to him he was wrong now she's obviously got our eyes on 2024 she's a more report a moderate republican someone who's highly respected the daughter of immigrants grew up poor you know her narrative is ideal to run in 2024 but if she's going to run against trouble that's going to be a tough call for someone even as popular as nikki haley because almost 75000000 people voted for trump back in november presidential election and as we know those people remain extremely loyal to donald trump and we all know how much he likes loyalty so his shadow is is casting a dark shape across this entire party i think many people within the republican party will be watching to see what his next move is watching to see what he says because the impact this man can make is still significant but there is another important point to make in those that are lots of other criminal cases coming trump's way in particular case in the u.s. state of geor

this is about nikki haley. i'm going to set this up for you like a bowling pin.taste for trump is no secret. actually, it is a secret if you're not in the business, but we continue. but neither is her goal of becoming president. for the past five years, she has struck a delicate balance, and she has done so better than other members of her party. her vicious criticisms of trump never came back to bite her, nor did her public silence in the face of his manifest abuses. michael, what do you make of this? what do you make of ms. haley and the landing pattern she is clearly trying to set up for herself on final approach? >> well, she did become governor of south carolina for nothing. she is one of the more skilled political candidates and elected officials in our party, if not maybe in the country. i remember working closely with her in 2010 when we worked on the campaign to help her get elected governor. i'm a fan of hers. i really admire her, and i understand the situation she's been in, at times disappointed with it, a lot of times disappointed with it, because th

between that and the interview with tim alberta, is nikki haley trying to say the same thing.l about the former president and this is what our party needs to do. is she trying to have it both ways? >> well, yes, virtually every politician of standing in an elected standing up for reelection in two years. >> she's not a politician right now. >> no, i'm talking -- well nikki haley and others are looking for 2024. and they're desperately trying to see where the base is going to land. and they don't know yet. they know that what the president did on january 6th, the big lie ever since the election, was just unconscionable and nikki haley said, we were mistaken as republicans to follow the president. so but then you realize, hey, where is the base. so you'll see this straddling going on from a lot of people. kevin mccarthy said the president is responsible. and then did the pilgrimage to mar-a-lago. lindsey graham, the same thing. so you're going to see this. i think in the end where people are going to land is that the president could only hurt in the races that are really importa

nikki haley knows that, she's learned that.isten, a woman who is now blaming the media took the opportunity to spend over four hours with politico over four visits to get her story out there, and now doesn't like what was written so these blaming the media for her problems. this is trump's party. that's not doing to change. i would maintain the acts of kinzinger and cheney and mitt romney that is not a return of the fight for the heart and soul of the party. those are the last gasps of the party we used to know. this is donald trump's party for as long as he chooses to play in it. >> i think he individually may not animate it. but what he was giving people, whether that finds some other vessel, which i think is equally likely, that to me seems to be the other thing i feel certain of. who knows? things change in american politics. hopefully this will. david jolly, thank you for making time tonight. >>> ahead, the white house drops its first major non-covid-related piece of legislation. what it is, and what it reveals about lesso

>> no question that nikki haley seems to be conflicted about where the party should go. and acknowledged what many of us have been stating for some time. that we are tired of the cronyism, denialism, nativism and those who are advocating this instability. i think going forward a lot of us don't want this a period to be led by those who are handmade ens to the big lie and to the insurrection. this party cannot be about instability and insurrection. we need to get back to a center right agenda. i think this is much bigger than policy at the moment. our objective now is to clean up the republican party and make it something that we can be proud of again, but right now we are in a very bad spot. i mean, how do you have a party where you have liz cheney and adam kinzinger and mitt romney and pat toomey and then you have the marjorie taylor greene wing who are advocating these qanon conspiracy theories and other types of radical extremists who showed up at the insurrection on january 6th. >> charlie, on that point quickly before we go you've been in some conversations this wee

resisted donald trump and i think tim is right to name check nikki haley. and i'll tim say this with -- ia agree with tim that for me it ia very difficult to ever support somebody who i watched just absolutely buckle for donald cn trump and not speak up when it d mattered. measu as far as i'm concerned, most of these people have been weighed e andd measured and found wanting. we saw what -- we saw how they buy hafed when the democrat was on line. that being blsaid,ican p we're smaller faction to appeal to than the majority of the republican party and i think the vast majority of kind of passivc observer republicans who are there for kind of either -- dowt broadly speaking economic policies or the tribal reasons,p right downer to almost the basee i think that nikki haley is the one person who has figured out how to straddle and hold out s m hope for those of us who are trump skeptical to be the hope g person and dangle it in front of us from time to time and posing with diamond and silk and making sure to show up at the turning point usa events and so i thin

and nikki haley is now doing the same thing. politics in this country, alicia, such a toxic time, that anyone who is contributing at this point should be applauded, while at the same time being held accountable for anything they may have done in the past. [ inaudible ] elements of that whole movement. but certainly, i think given the precarious situation that we still find ourselves in today, we should celebrate any time any leader, any public figure, stands up and speaks the truth. >> listen, there's all of the talk, and then there is the action, particularly when it comes to legislation. do you see opportunities as you watch what's happening on capitol hill for republicans to come to the table to work with democrats, let's say on something like infrastructure? >> i think so, alicia. and even on an issue like immigration, which you were discussing earlier. that biden plan is going to be broken up into pieces, and i do think you will see some republicans come forward, for example, to support dreamers and giving them a permanent

nikki haley is one of those leaders.you say the era of donald trump is over but he got a record 74 million people to vote for him in november. doesn't the republik and party need donald trump reporter -- supporters? guest: donald trump supporters are republican supporters. jane: are they? they are often called the party of trump. guest: i think that's wrong. the republican party belongs to the republican candidates and in the broader sense, the national and local parties. donald trump was a candidate. he is no longer in my opinion going to be up for any election in the remainder of his lifetime. the party has to move on and get behind donald trump. that's the case in most cases where presidents have left and no longer seek public life. jane: do you think with the end of donald trump's little influence that we will see a toning down in the rhetoric not just from the republican side but the democrat side. is it time for both sides to move on from this? guest: absolutely. the rhetoric on democrats and republicans needs to b

nikki haley, likely is going to run herself, and so some people are saying, look at that, but i thinko move past that. we are going to see some of these 2024 candidates trying to decide whether donald trump is the future of the party or not. figs trump is the future of the party or not. �* , , ., . trump is the future of the party or not. a ., ., trump is the future of the party or not. �* , i. ., ., :: not. as you have said, we have 2022 elections coming _ not. as you have said, we have 2022 elections coming up. _ not. as you have said, we have 2022 elections coming up. every - not. as you have said, we have 2022 elections coming up. every member| not. as you have said, we have 2022 l elections coming up. every member of the house of representatives is up. they are presumably already campaigning and raising money and there was, if they are republicans, about not being denounced by donald trump. what about for the democrats? yours job by trump. what about for the democrats? yoursjob by denting the political system is fragile, does he have the capacity to achieve that unity? if, after a

a close friend of mine argues that i'm wrong to say nikki haley, that i'm too optimistic. they want pure, uncut, trump again, some other figure. nikki is yesterday's news. >> [inaudible] she thinks the best case for the future of republican leaders was someone who wasn't to figure during the trump era. if you look at the last two presidents, barack obama was not really a public figure for years out. state senator and then-president. donald trump was a public figure but not really a serious political figure in every way -- in any way before he won. >> a pete buttigieg. >> exactly. if things broke differently, he could have been the nominee. you are hopeful that somebody can avoid having to navigate all of the muck and scandal and controversy of the trump era and take the posture. [inaudible] we need to care about democracy. not banning people for their religion. somebody could emerge like that, that isn't stained by the trump era. now they are outsiders. >> focus groups with trump voters that i watched, that you have conducted and watched as well, some trump voters have said

mcconnell said he's not going to bend the knee and then there is nikki haley, trying to straddle thetrump for his behavior since election day but praising trump. she wanted to meet with trump and he refused to meet with her, alexandria. >> the republican party is trying to figure out what to do with trump. he's to popular within the base of the gop to completely denounce and move on. i think it is important to call out that nikki haley, folks like lindsey graham who are also trying to quell the civil war, bring some peace, also prior to four years ago where on the record saying how much they disliked the former president and now they have to own the responsibility of what they're party has become. and so, again, while the republicans are in this sort of civil war and are going to continue to be down that path, i think for a little while because all of the conversation about what the future of the republican party looks like are in the context of donald trump, it is just going to be very difficult and i think democrats have to take this opportunity to show that we could really deliver

i mean and nikki haley is seeing that, right?ther, you know, representatives like steve scalise are going to kiss the ring, if you've criticized donald trump, he'll freeze you out because you're either with him or against him. there's no reasoning. and against the backdrop of an attack on the capitol, this shouldn't be a tough call. a rational human being who is a trump supporter would say i support what he does in terms of policy but i condemn what he did as an insurrection. >> haley yesterday tried to patch things up by blaming the media for the gop divide in her op-ed. but, listen, the divide is real. number two house republican steve scalise met with trump yest yesterday. someone close to senator mitch mcconnell says that he will never bend the knee. gop is in full-on identity crisis right now. >> it is, and they're choosing sides in this gop civil war. it's stunning to see senators like ron johnson take a whack at mcconnell. look, the fact that the state parties are, you know, scensurig senator who had the courage to condemn

nikki haley, like so many other republicans, trying to have it beth ways, despite what she says.s that never going to work with trump? >> not with this cat. i mean, and nikki haley is seeing that, right, where other, you know, representatives like steve scalise are going to kiss the ring, if you've criticized donald trump he'll freeze you out. you're either with him or against him. there's no reasoning. and against the backdrop of an attack on the capitol this shouldn't be a tough call. rational human being who's a trump supporter would say i support what he did in terms of policy but i condemn what he did in inciting an insurrection. not big enough. you've got to buying into his buying lie right now, which is b.s. >> haley tried to batch things up by blaming the media in the gop divide. the divide is real. number two house republican steve scalise met with trump yesterday with someone close to mitch mcconnell says he will never bend the knee. gop is full on identity crisis right now. >> it is, and they're choosing sides in this gop civil war. it's stunning to see senators like r

and so whether it's steve scalise, you know, leadership of the republican party, nikki haley, potentialitch mcconnell, minority leader in the senate, mitt romney who voted for impeachment, all of these people trying to live under the same big tent republican name at this moment seems almost untenable that that could last until 2024. >> but what is clear, ryan, is that trump still has a stranglehold in many ways over the gop. what does that mean as you look ahead to 2022 and 2024, as sarah laid out? >> he does. and one thing, pam, i think it's fair to paint out, and i think sarah will agree with me, but she can say so. we're talking about divides within these two parties. and i don't think these divides are equivalent. we're talking about on the democratic side a debate over the minimum wage between different factions of the democratic party and a debate over whether as we talked about before, one person is the right person for a job at omb. in the republican party, we are talking about a debate over whether you support the person who incited a violent mob to attack congress. and i think

you have half nikki haley. even the sun is only at 6. this isn't getting them anywhere., it's because this isn't actually just about donald trump, it's about trumpism and i think we often make the mistake that it is about trump versus everyone else. trump represents a strain of fear and paranoia, xenophobia that the republican party has been selling in mainstream circles, mainstream outlets. you could look back to ronald reagan. this has been going on a long time. donald trump took that electricity and got lightning in a bottle. but the reason he remains on top is he is best articulated the sort of republican paranoid world view and people believe in that. they are not going to turn on him overnight. and that is why everyone else is polling in single digits. the republican party is given an opportunity to reconcile the sins of the past. but the truth is, if they want to turn the page, it is going to take several election cycles if not a generation to get back into the light. >> and david, the other thing they're leaving out of the calculations is that donald trump also h

that said i have a lot of skepticism about nikki haley. we need a fresh slate of people that maintain their integrity. that needs to be the leadership moving forward. people who said the right things even under difficult say, circumstances, even under pressure from trump and sadly will's only a handful of those that lead us into the future. >> there's been talks from anti-trump republican officials on potentially forming a breakaway party. you were on that call and so was elizabeth i should note. good idea or will it give democrats the upper hand in every election moving forward if the republican party splits into two? >> well, i think we may have to karr a dual path there. he's nothing wrong in thinking about a third party, but i'll be honest as a practitioner that takes a decade and people don't want to wait a decade so what you need to do is start building coalitions to get behind like-minded republicans running for office, whether they are running as a republican or perhaps an independent, and that the republicans that were on that cal

just as much as they hate democrats i mean people have been coming out against nikki haley even before she came out against tom mcconnell they haven't trusted and so you're seeing this lead a very noticeable split and what's what's been you know since the creation of this nation a tea party state but you're seeing a noticeable split and if you're looking at you know say average of $74000000.00 voters if you're looking at even just $70000000.00 of those voters who just might be the lesser of 2 evils that $70000000.00 this maggot's wrong looking at rally members at a turnout even a turnout in videos that some puts out as opposed to the white house videos you know you're looking at a very large populist movement so i think well but this means for the future the republicans mcconnell haley others that have come out strongly against trump because essentially they're coming out against trump's base they're coming out against the voters because it wasn't all the people that showed up on january 6th that that you know rioted at the white house many of these people were absolutely peaceful and

what do you make of this, can nikki haley have it both ways with donald trump? how much did her statement condemning trump for january 6th damage any potential 20 24 run or can she garner support from the non-trumpian republicans for her honesty? ? i think the last part of that question is kind of an open-ended question. put the first part of that question about whether or not donald trump will forget, no, he will not. i think anybody who crossed trump post november 3rd, quite frankly, is going to be on a list of sorts. he always talks about how he likes to sit back and get revenge on people he sees having wronged him. i think necci haley being very loud about the fact she made a mistake by following donald trump, sure, she may thing that could get some of the never trumpers or moderate republicans, they will not forget she went up to him including almost insurrection. the republicans now have gone up to donald trump up to and including insurrection. and thens this some that tell off quite before that. because they saw what happened january 6th with the demme of

senate someone who was a governor who may have come you know from very unusual circumstances as nikki haley did not have to dish will kind of white liberal art you know school in the northeast establishment you know she came from a very poor family of immigrants and worked her way up to the top but she's become part of the establishment and what you see from the trump voters is a disinterest in establishing behavior in people who play by the rules they want to have someone who ignores the rules who bashes the rules who changes the way political gravity works and there are very few people it's kind of an interesting thing to look back and say that movement was there it became bigger under trump but it was always there it was kind of fringe it's now become mainstream for the republican party and this character of donald trump who is a reality t.v. guy you know with a with a you know spotty record in in real estate deals came along at the at the right time with the right rhetoric and it doesn't even his children don't fit that model so i don't think anyone is going to easily fill those shoes w

nikki haley found out after writhing an op ed in the "wall street journal."n for a meeting because of criticisms she's leveled at him over the capitol insurrection. david jolly is a former republican congressman from florida who figured out a long time ago which side of that line he wants to be on. and he joins me now. i thought that romney's statement here was really important because i do think it's actually in some ways gotten a little lost boughs of how shocking the violent insurrection was that a skrort of republican members of congress arc big majority in the house and i think seven or eight in the senate voted to overturn an election, voted to give air to this lie, the president himself, the expresident is still spinning yesterday, and there is no reckoning with that. >> yeah, chris, i so appreciate how you are framing this identity crisis within today's republican party. because conventional wisdom seems to default to this identity crisis must be an idea logical won, different degrees of conservative tichl. that's not today's identity crisis in the re

when are they going to -- maybe nikki haley has figured this out. in the immortal words of lindsey, what's lindsey's middle name? it starts with an o. orenthal james. i don't know. if you elect donald trump, he will destroy the republican party and he will deserve it. well, here we are. and they still haven't figured it out yet. >> my god. . >> i'm still stuck on you sneaking o.j. into the middle of lindsey graham's name? >> what's his middle name? >> olan. just move on. >> this dynamic you playing out in the senate which is ted cruz, josh hawley, marco rubio and people who think they are going to be president some day don't dare cross donald trump for fear of losing some of his voters. so how do i criticize him in certain moments to say, look, i was critical of donald trump in the moments when i needed to be. but also not alienate his voters. it is an impossible dance to do. you're either on board with donald trump, you're on the train or you're not. we will see in this vote this weekend that a bunch of senate republicans are fully on the train. >>

>> it's great when people like nikki haley say that. there's far too few.'t given up hope thinking this party can have a change of heart and recommit to our democratic republic and our values and move forward. but it will only be when leaders like her and mitt romney, who has been doing it, and adam kinzinger and liz cheney and others, the more who run and gainey elected office and lead the party away from its current direction to a better place, that's the only way it's going to happen. it requires leadership, and so far too few are standing up, but i'm encouraged by those who are. >> it sounds like you're encouraged. one voting party to convict the president last year, mitt romney, and now seven republicans. so i hear what you're saying. >> modest progress, but it may not be enough. >> thanks so much. thank you for being back with us today. >> thank youm. >>> two women share a gut-wrenching story. their parents got sucked into qanon lies, and it's tearing their family apart. >> i just want to have a mom who loves me. we're past that. she filed a claim on

former ambassador to the united nations and former governor of the great state of south carolina, nikki haleyy, trey. great to be with you. >> trey: thank you. i am not going to ask you to comment on your successor unless you want to. i will ask you to comment on china and what kind of message we should be sending them in terms of our relationship with them? >> i think it's important, look, the issue with china is more important than just one speech that the new ambassador may have given. what i'm concerned about is the biden administration understanding what a true threat china is. the department of defense came out and said that the chinese military were ahead of the pentagon on three things. china has the largest naval fleet in the world. they have the most advanced air defense system in the world. and they literally have one of the most robust land missiles programs in the world. and when you look at that and then you go to the fact that they have no treaties to kind of reign china in, yet biden gets us back into the new start treaty with russia that brings us in, doesn't allow us to comp

nikki haley got in trouble because she talked to a reporter who probably wasn't operating in good faith trying to cause problems. she needs to be smarter when she's dealing with media to avoid those types of traps that are set upsm that way. i think people, i think a lot of people are pretty unified and excited about having made some much-needed policy updates and then also more people needing, whether that's having an economic policy that focuses on the middle-classan and understanding that theth left is actually going to war against the founding of this country in that that needs to be defended against. it needs to be defended against with some fights.ne so people are looking for leaders who have that fight. and don't get distracted by the media trap. >> here is a key. if you're getting praised by the new york times and washington post, you're probably not going to be the next republican party dominated. i think, of everything i saw, he won today's condescension and snobbery award. not the most constitutionally sophisticated argument.n >> as you heard in his voice there. >> to those g

piece in politico about nikki haley and her future, where she tried to sort of draw the line and make know, fairly obvious criticisms of the former president, and it just has blown up in her face. she tried to get a meeting back at mar-a-lago, and i don't think the president is returning her phone calls. she didn't get the meeting. it's sort of like an abusive husband that the party can't get rid of, and it's really problematic. we can talk about the demographics, but, you know, it's going for a smaller and smaller base, and the problem is that donald trump lost white voters, white, college-educated voters by more than double digits. so, ron, where are the demographics in the future for the party? >> yeah. >> well, you know, look, i mean the -- first of all, the reality is, is that in terms of the internal civil war, it's not an even fight at this moment. donald trump has reshaped the party coalition, made it more reliant on the voters who are the most uncomfortable with the way the country is changing, non-urban, non-college and evangelical whites. as a result, it's basically a three

ambassador nikki haley torched the biden administration in a tweet.ted obama's catch and release policy releasing illegal immigrants back into the u.s. illegal immigration has hit crisis levels overwhelming border patrol facilities and maxing out community resources like covid tests. we should be taking care of our americans first. power panel now. a former director of press advance in the obama white house and host of the podcast pod is a woman. of course pod is a woman. alyssa farah former white house communications director under president trump. allyssa i'll come to you first with your reaction. this is an undoing of what president 45 put into place. >> listen, this is a crisis of the biden administration's own making. they knew what they were signaling to many migrants who may attempt to come into the country when they said we're going to undo catch and release. we're going to stop securing our border. and it signaled to migrants that they can come into our country and they won't be turned away. i would say this. i think governing is coming at jo

and i think she's clearly on the out. >> mia, what does it tell you that nikki haley is trying to workto trump's good graces? >> well, i think, first of all, what she said about donald trump is exactly right. i think she realized that the republican party needs new leadership. i agree with what she said in terms of donald trump letting us down. i also think it's very important for us to realize that the house, the majority of the house was only won by 31,000 votes, if you put them all together. there's a narrow margin there. and she realizes, look, i need to find a way to gain trump supporters without using trump. and i think that going to visit him and probably just having his okay is probably what she hoped for. i think that it's -- i think it's a waste of time. he is -- if you are 100% -- if you're not with him 100%, i agree with gloria here, then you're 100% out. if you see what he did to his own mike pence, i mean, you can look no further. >> mike pence, four years, totally loyal, and all of a sudden they're not even talking right now. gloria, you have new reporting, important rep

have the ability— to people they can nikki haley have the ability to brush them aside or does _— one thing that the trump presidency did in the _ one thing that the trump presidency did in the trump organisation did as it builds _ did in the trump organisation did as it builds a _ did in the trump organisation did as it builds a fantastically well manned, well organised, well—connected grassroots organisation. that is still there in place _ organisation. that is still there in place. raised a lot of money in the postelection period. there still structures in place, whether they can last — structures in place, whether they can last for— structures in place, whether they can last for four years for him to run in _ can last for four years for him to run in a — can last for four years for him to run in a primary is another question. _ run in a primary is another question, but he's notjust one guy in morrow— question, but he's notjust one guy in morrow lago. waiting to see whether— in morrow lago. waiting to see whether or not he can regain the white _ whether or not he can regain th

and you saw nikki haley, came out today or a politico interview very strongly defending donald trumpaying he will not be part of the 2020 peck chure. he's the show dummy. she says that le not be the figure part of the party that's short trump. does it have eck power over everybody else. >> and that may remain the case. but it's a this rinking part of the party. and the party itself is sh ricking. >> too bad the extend that's ing on, john -- how much does that help or did it help. who is trying to get the administration underway, trying to get his arms und in this vaccine distribution crisis and everything ee. >> i think unfortunate le, the nikki haley way of the republican party doesn't seem to be any where in any kind of numbers that would make it possible for those senators who are sitting at the jury to follow her lead. i think it's important to see what senator mitch mcconnell does. >> by do think wheng it comes to president de , what's been interesting this week is that seeing one -- one side of pennsylvania of the capitol in the senate, they're doing the trial, but over in the

nikki haley, the former governor of your state of south carolina, made some pretty tough comments aboutp this week. i want to put them up on the screen. she said he went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him, and we can't let that ever happen again. senator, is governor haley wrong about donald trump's future in the republican party? >> yeah. donald trump is the most vibrant member of the republican party. the trump movement is alive and welcome people believe that he brought change to washington policy wise that was long overdue. all i can say is that the most potent force in the republican party is president trump. we need trump plus. and at the end of the day, i've been involved in politics for over 25 years. the president is a handful, and and what happened on january the 6th was terrible for the country, but he's not singularly to blame. democrats have sat on the sidelines and watched the country be burned down for a year and a half and haven't said a damn word, and most republicans are tired of the hypocrisy. so, n

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