how do you as nina achadjian go out and hear about the latest? nina: a combination of things., relationships matter most in venture capital. a lot of entrepreneurs would meet are actually through introductions from other entrepreneurs that we have worked with arbat in the past. second -- worked with or met in the past. we collaborate with seed funds and hope to collaborate with the seed ecosystem, solo gp and other seed funds. third, data scientists play great role in finding companies early. we track where executives are going, how much the headcount as grown, so a combination of these things find entrepreneurs early as seeds. caroline: it is interesting how we fast-track the growth trajectory of these companies, and the spac environment in particular is plucking out companies that perhaps would not have thought they were going to exit any time soon and go public and suddenly, there they are. you have so much expense taking companies public, robinhood, wise is another, and you have learned through the experienced of -- the experience of deliveroo, how do you learn about exit