nina martin and, who is the npr reporter? >> [inaudible] >> yeah, yeah, the propublica/npr series has been really phenomenal. and i think one of the things that i really liked about that series is that they've done great job of kind of showing that these, this problem is not just about sort of lack of access to care or health disparities, but really is sort of about treatment disparities. and, you know, black women have, like, four times the rate of mortality to white women and that is not just due to, like, higher rates of health conditions among them, it really is sort of about racism and sexism. so, yeah. that's one of the things that i'm, like are, really hoping that people who have been working on that issue sort of talk about some of the ways that the things i talk about in the book sort of play out in that context. because i think they absolutely do, i just didn't include it in the book. >> i'm curious, you know, i'm sure you had an idea where this was going to go when you started writing. what were your biggest surpris