and nina terero. currently a correspondent for entertainment weekly. glad to have you all here. so bill, you're basically the ivy league equivalent of the guy who blirts out, there there is no santa claus. afraid to fail lacking real leadership skills. why did you do it? >> needs to be said and it's absolutely true that if you want to be injected at high velocity into the american elite more and more, you need to go to an ivy league school maybe stanford, a couple of other schools, that's the problem not with these schools but with our elite. is they exactly reflect the kind of education you get not just at the schools but i would say even more importantly, the kind of person you have to become in order to get into one of these schools. a hoop-jumping checklist kind of childhood kid, who never has a chance to think about why they're doing it. now i know that there are exceptions. one response in ip says, i'm an exception, my friend is an exception, yes, there are exceptions and the problem is there are only exceptions and the fact is there are full of other schools that are -- t