no, not the way he did when the reverend graham died, nina turner. >> what's enough, chris? ugh? what's enough? >> more. the basic standard of deecency people do in these situations. nina. >> no, no, no. he doesn't get rewarded for this. >> i'll come back to you, ken. nina, make your point. >> the veterans organizations should not have had to ask the president of the united states to be decent. what other presidents had had to be asked to be decent? he is still upset with senator john mccain over the affordable care act because he didn't give him the vote that he needed to repeal it. so, again, petty president even in the death of a war hero and a senator who, as you said, he may not have agreed with him politically, but it's time to put aside the politics and allow his family to grieve and show that he can be a diplomat in senator john mccain's death. he couldn't do that. that was too much to ask. >> instead, ken, you don't hear that from any of you guys. you hear don't be so tough on him. you guys say, well he was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. i don't think that's

we have nina turner and mike shie shields.a turner, do you believe that what devin nunes was saying there is worthy of censure? >> well, chris, it's certainly no surprise what he was saying. nunes has had the propensity for telling the truth about how he really feels about this president from, you know, giving him information when they were doing the russia probe right in his own committee. you know, he served on the transition team, and he also advised the trump campaign. so i'm not surprised at all that we caught the congressman telling the truth about how he feels it is his duty and the duty of all members of the gop to protect the president versus keeping his oath of office and standing up for the american people and, as congressman lieu said, looking to see where the information takes us. >> right. i'm surprised. mike, i'm surprised, not about the we need to keep the majority so we can protect the president. that's politics. i totally get it. he was at a gop fund-raiser. but it's the first part. it's that it's just about

let's bring in nina turner and k ken. >> call him the petty president. in chief.r misses an opportunity to be petty. and senator mccain was a war hero, he served in the senate. people may not agree with his policies. i didn't. but this is not the time to argue the senators policies. when he has just died. it is the time for the president of the united states to be a diplomat and not continue to fight senator mccain even in death. you have veterans and organizations asking the president to continue to have the flag half staff. he refused. the next day instead of keeping it there until the senator was buried. he missed a great opportunity to try to unite the country. there's no surprise there when it comes to president trump. >> ken, you're a republican. who do you think would have been a better president? mccain or obama? >> john mccain. >> the president couldn't answer that today. >> we would have been in wars all over the world. but. >> his arch nemesis of barack obama. asked that question today. the day the senator of his own party was lying in repose. and being

. >> outfront now, former ohio state senator nina turner and former senior communications advisor foron miller. he was also a consultant on desantis' campaign for the senate in 2016. nina, the desantis campaign is saying it's absurd to believe that him saying monkey this up has anything to do with race. in your view is that credible? >> not at all, jim. of course they are because they have the luxury to do so. i have a message for my white sisters and brothers in america. don't ever use the word "monkey" or "ape" or anything like that. don't even go down that street when it comes to african-americans. there's a painful history in this country of using that stereotype. it is used to dehumanize african-americans and the representative knew exactly what he was doing when he said that. and it wasn't a dog whistle, it was a bullhorn to certain folks in this country who still see and believe that african-americans are less than. during jim crow, even in the 21st century there have been caricatures of president obama, first lady michelle obama, jackie robinson, an athlete had to face that to

nina turner, i have heard people criticizing this statement from the president because it says all types and peace to all types of people. do you share that view or do you take the comment on facevalue that he's trying to do the right thing. >> certainly it's better than what he said last year, maybe he's learning but the thing is in his policies, he can say one thing but what are the actions of his policies, actions of his statements. i mean, he dogged out lebron james, king james from where i come from, don lemon, congressman db. >> you're from ohio. >> i'm from cleveland. maxine waters, the types of statements that he makes towards african-americans and nfl players, at least on face value what he said in that tweet or put in that tweet is light years ahead of what he said last year. what about his actions? even his attorney general sessions renewing the war on drugs, criminalizing marijuana in ways that president obama's administration did not do. i mean, these are the types of things we should really be paying attention to, not just what he's tweeting. >> i'm with nina. like to pay a