nipper? >> no, sir. >> i think that the plans were developed by a broad array of states in the way we are describing, i would agree, no. >> bottom supped is each state brings it up or how you envision that? beef regional planning process that is agreed to by the state. should frugal be able to modify a regionally agreed upon plan? >> at the planning process is not independent, yes. >> not independent manning? >> it is influenced by market participants, and other political entities. the planning process to me-- >> even if the state governor, the state governments agree to it? >> i believe all the transmission within the state, it is not regional in nature, should-- the state should have as much authority as the one. when we develop regional transmission which is for the good of the region or the good of the country-- >> should the first people to override the agreed upon plan? >> if it is done by an independent planning authority, yes. i mean, i'm sorry no, and if that is, yes. >> why i think

nipper? >> yes, ma'am.we would agree with the comments that have been made that it requires participation by everybody involved. the stake holders. in our member's views that's among regions some a bit better than others but really is necessary that everyone be at the table and be participating and their input be accounted. i will say that in following up the comment on the rto and iso regions and they vary a bit as well but the opportunities to participate in the stake holder process with some of the other stake holders for our members leaves a lot to be desire, i'll say that. then i would just lastly mention the benefits that i mentioned in my testimony about joint ownership and if there are opportunities, equal opportunities for folks and american transmission company is a good example of this, where an opportunity for broad and joint ownership by multiple entities provides planning and other benefits as well. >> okay. mr. jost? >> i might just pick up on something mr. miller said. i think ferc's incenti

nipper, and i appreciate the way they used the word in the testimony. the next witness is bland and english, she fixative officer of the national role electric cooperative association. but more significantly, he served in the united states congress for ten terms as one of our most distinguished members and it is our order to have you back before the subcommittee. whenever you are ready please begin. >> thank you. i appreciate that. i'm not sure why border directors would agree with the more significantly but i appreciate that and understand where you are coming from on that. >> i think the one thing the board and all i can share in common is while each reserved which of us believes you have a more important job i appreciate both of you thinking i have -- >> the factor are so important to both of us -- >> you're kind mr. chairman. i appreciate that. i think the conveyed to the committee knows we are in 40 states across the country and we serve however 7% of the population through about three-quarters of land mass in the united states. so when we talk abo

nipper? >> yes maam we would agree with the comments that had been made, that it requires participation by everyone involved, all of the stakeholders. that is varied in members' dues but among regions, some a bit better than others but it is really necessary eveyln be at the table and be participating with their and pledged, be accounted. i will say that falling on the comment of the rto and i assume regence and dave gary as well among them but the opportunities to participate in the, equally participate in the stakeholder process leaves a lot to be desired. i will say that. and then i would lastly mention the benefits that the mentioned in my testimony about the joint ownership and if there are opportunities, equal opportunities for folks in american transmission company is a good example of this, where an opportunity for fraud in joint ownership by a a multiple entity provides planning and other benefits as well. >> mr. joos. >> i might just pick up on something mr. miller said. i think fer