lack of experience is a problem, for sure. >> let me go to nira and put that to her.thought jack welch, the business tycoon, raised an interesting point. >> he said why does any form of balanced budget make democrats go crazy? every family works to get in this position every day. >> i think there are many republicans who oppose a balanced budget. the one thing we should be aware of there has been one bipartisan vote so far this week, and that bipartisan vote is a rejection of the boehner plan by the senate. we had republicans crossing lines, we had senator kirk, senator graham, conservative senators as well crossing lines with democrats to reject that. so that incorporated an extreme form of a balanced budget amendment. and it was a ridiculous idea. the idea that we would have a majority vote to pass a balanced budget amendment down the road when they couldn't even garner two-thirds vote now. extreme gamesmanship where these votes are upperly meaningless. i believe that senate republicans are frustrated and that's why you saw a number of senate republicans join with d

that's the question that carly fee or fiorina and nira santandin will answer. let's start with you, carly. a pretty rough day on capitol hill and not much has happened. we tick down to default. what happened? >> three things going on that make for high drama and a lot of frustration, as you describe on your program. i would argue this is politics unusual, and let me tell you what i mean by that. first, a genuine, fill so offic debate going on between people who have genuine differences and passionately held differences about how to grow the economy and what the proper role of government is. that discussion has gotten attached to a debt ceiling debate. and i think it got attached to that, what has in the past been very routine, because of the normal processes of government, appropriations and budgeting, which is where these discussions normally happen, haven't occurred. the democratic senate hasn't passed a budget in almost three years and the appropriations process has ground to a halt. and the third think i would just say is -- >> let me just interrupt through