nishi: it is very situation specific. we are focused on leverage embedded within the companies themselves. if you are looking to the company to take collateral, we are focused on shallow preference tax. -- preference stacks. a lot of that is driven by stage of company and to navigate through the cycle. there are things -- cutting costs, profitability overtime, is there an exit? those are the things we will be looking for. caroline: interesting that you say what you are looking for in terms of strength of business and ability to navigate these turbulent times. what about strength of sector? it is all about artificial intelligence. are you that specific? nishi: historically, in the growth equity franchise, we place a huge emphasis on recurring revenue types of businesses which are primarily on the software space. i think those are preferred from a lending perspective because you want that visibility of revenues. we will have to service our clients' needs wherever they come. ed: hello from san francisco. i wonder how you in

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nishi is all of his political capital, not just some of it towards this issue. the republican party, tennessee is much too often operating as a mob ocracy than a democracy and operating with modern rule in mind and not the people in mind . and so i don't know the inner workings of the politics and the inner workings of the politics led to the expulsion of duly elected members of the state house. i know the inner working of that politics is not pushing forward policies of progress that we need. to see. but i do know that people power works and that there are millions of people in the state of tennessee right now, who are saying the status quo is not sufficient? why do you think they reversed themselves? i mean, you know it was. it was pretty, uh, pretty. i mean, even after they expelled you. number of them went on tv justifying expelling. you didn't seem like they were about to change their minds. what do you think it was that made them yeah , it is always movements of people who are determined to see justice happened that even forces institutions that seems so r