noam wasserman at harvard has studied this.nd he used to say three to four founders were replaced after maybe the second venture capital round. that was something he wrote several years ago. i think things have changed in the last couple years. so i'm not sure what the statistic is today. but it's changing. i mean, i think people are recognizing now that bringing in different ceos is not necessariry a great thing. if you look at friend ter, and i know you don't want to only talk about friendster, but from 2003 when the company was institutionally founded to when it was sold in 2009 that was six years. so how many ceos did the company have in six years? >> five. >> yeah. >> six. six in six years. >> what -- when you were talking to young founders, which you do at founders den, how much of what you learned at friendster are things that you're passing on? what is the primary lesson you want them to know? >> there's a lot. i think that there were things we did right at friendster because i started the company in sort of the dotcom