>> nobo-- >> nobody measured it, right. >> nobody measured it. >> you eye bald it, is that what you ares. >> we eye bald it yes. >> did sergeant baker climb inside the bumpster? >> yes, he did. >> okay. and he started throwing stuff from the inside of the dumpster into the befd his pickup truck, right? >> stuff was being handed out, and it was being placed. >> has anyone ever taught you to collect evidence that way, sir? >> no. >> the gum and casing were found clumped together inside a piece of paper. but that's not how they were tested. >> were you ever told when you conducted this testing that the casing had been attached to a piece of chewed blue blubl gum? >> not at the time i did my testing. >> she did find a partial dna match for hernandez's dna on the shell casing. but the defense argues it got there from the gum. >> would you agree with me, ma'am, that there is a high likelihood that the dna on the chewed blue chewing gum would be transferred to that shell casing that is attached to it? >> objection, your honor. >> overruled. >> yes, i would agree with that. >> and remember the