divers to be passive and to let regulations happen and to let things like that happen and believe that nobo's going to shut your fishery down, i think that's over. i think we should-- i thk everybody should be involved. lackey: people would come up with no experience, and we'd be able to take them out in the water, and most of them were pretty successful. i mean, they thought it was the greatest thing in the world, they were super impressed with how many abs there werebut unfortunately, the niche hasn't been filled. the abalone is-- with that gone, there's a missing business component for sure. i'm hopeful that those oasises are going to be fine, they're going to help the spawn come bacin the abalone population, and hopefully we just get back on tck. [surf crashing] swezey: and that the ocean has been this, you know, incredible resource and source of nourishment for me; you know, recreation, wonderment, stimulating my interest in the natural world, and kind of driving what i do, so there's no going somewhere else or eating what's left. this is our shared legacy, our shared resource, and so th