and everything's in place now. >> the residents of noe valley will finally get their bathroom.e on site construction preparations will begin next monday, and the bathroom delivered on march seventh. kaufman believes residents will be pleasantly surprised with the final product. chad >> it was more than i expected. it was more than i expected and as the neighborhood waits in anticipation for it to arrive, the lot is being put to good use by those faithful companions, as when you got to go, you got to go. >> now, the modular bathroom is sitting in a warehouse in nevada and will soon make its way here. now, we're told that when it arrives, there will be traffic control officers directing traffic as the heavy duty forklift will move it to its new and permanent location. and guys, i think the people of noe valley are going to have a parade that day for sure. >> yeah, this is going to be the most famous toilet ever here, right? uh, so leanne, if the city still has 1.7 million from the state and most of the costs were actually donated, so there's money left over, right? >> that's righ

and um, everything's in place now. >> the residents of noe valley will finally get their bathroom.eparations will begin next monday. and the bathroom delivered on march seventh. kaufman believes residents will be pleasantly surprised with the final product. chad >> it was more than i expected. it was more than i expected. >> and as the neighborhood waits in anticipation for it to arrive, the lot is being put to good use by those faithful companions. >> oh, this is one of those only in san francisco stories. >> yeah, there are too many potential punchlines here. >> i didn't even want to go there. >> career ending. so let's take a look at the weather. >> safer that way. >> tonight we're going to have partly cloudy to mostly clear skies overnight lows in the inland valleys will drop into the 30s. so pretty chilly there tomorrow. lots of sunshine, but a few high clouds will be around . highs will range high temperatures from upper 50s at the coast to about 6062 around the bay. shoreline to some low to mid 60s in the south bay. here's the accuweather seven day forecast wednesday tuesday

and um, everything's in place now. >> the residents of noe valley will finally get their bathroom.begin next monday, and the bathroom delivered on march 7th. kaufman believes residents will be pleasantly surprised with the final product. >> chad. it was more than i expected. it was more than i expected. >> and as the neighborhood waits in anticipation for it to arrive, the lot is being put to good use by those faithful companion sons. now reckon parks will have spent only $300,000 to cover their end of the deal, so permit fees, staff time and all those little things that here in the city. in san francisco add up in a big way. now remember, everything else was donated. so if my math is correct and i think it is, the city will have $1.4 million left over for another similar bathroom project in the bernal heights neighborhood. but i can tell you, dan, you know, i think this was a win win situation for the city. and did you see how they painted it red? 40 niners red. clever i like it. >> no, i do too. and the way you break it down, leanne, it does sound like a win win. thanks so much.

by now, you've probably heard of the infamous noe valley public toilet and how san francisco was ready to dish out $1.7 million for its construction, rather than pay for a much cheaper modular model from a company in nevada. here's why san francisco could not would not do business with any entity in that state. san francisco had a ban on doing business with 30 states that had laws that undermined lgbtq and voting rights, as well as blocking abortion access. it was those states against san francisco, and that eventually became too costly for city government. >> the noe valley bathroom is not a one off case. that's a problem that is replicated throughout our city government. >> or we couldn't buy by toilet paper for more. we historically bought toilet paper for these market players are smart enough to know that they had a captive audience, and they could raise their prices. >> it's economics 101 competition results in lower prices. also, because of the ban, public employees were not allowed to travel to one of those 30 states to potential lure companies to bring business back to san fran

the noe valley bathroom is not a one off case. >> that's a problem that is replicated throughout our city government. or we couldn't buy toilet paper from where we historically bought toilet paper. >> these market players are smart enough to know that they had a captive audience, and they could raise their prices. >> it's economics 101 competition results in lower prices. also because of the ban, public employees were not allowed to travel to one of those 30 states to potentially lure companies to bring business back to san francisco. so the city tried to get around it by granting waivers. and between july 2021 and 2022, 335 city departments approved a total of 538 waivers. the problem there, even the process of granting waivers was costing the city more money in added staff and paperwork. in one case, the recreation and parks department had to get a waiver to do business with a local lgbt vendor who had recently been acquired. you guessed it, by another company. in one of those 30 banned states. >> because of that, we couldn't use her services until we got a special dispensation, wh

, san francisco, officials said. >> construction for the restroom at noe valley town square will begin when it was first announced in 2022, with a whopping $1.7 million price tag, but city officials said the cost has dropped to $300,000 thanks to a donation of a prefabricated restroom unit. the toilet is set to open to the public in april. >> hundreds of people in sacramento county gathered outside in the cold to raise funds for a good cause, russell lee 300 people braved the 46 degree water at folsom lake to raise $150,000 for the northern california special olympics. the polar plunge drew many from law enforcement agencies throughout the sacramento area for this year. >> we had a great course for the five k and lovely medals and just wonderful people to come out and support athletes with intellectual disabilities. >> i'm a big, you know, promoter for getting active and, you know, participating inclusion. so i think this was a perfect event. special olympics is the world's largest sports organization for children and adults with intellectual disabilities. >> air travelers catching a f

. >> one man said it felt like a truck hit his building in noe valley followed by a second thud, but we haven't heard of damage. >>> when you think of sausalito, you may think of the stunning bayviews, picturesque hillside homes, charming waterside businesses. you don't hear a lot about development and that's by design, but now a potential battle is brewing over plans to build a condo complex right on the waterfront in the city's historic downtown district. it is a sign of the changing times with the state law requiring cities to pull their weight and come up with plans to build more housing. jose martinez talked with some locals who say being open to change could be a good thing. >> reporter: robert freeman has owned this sausalito restaurant for 20 years and in recent years he noticed a trend. >> san francisco's suffering from a little bit of the tourism is down. conventions have canceled out and whatnot. that translates directly to us. people from the city heading toward napa and here, muir woods and they'll stop by here. when they're not in town, that cuts into it. >> reporter: s

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the owners of folio books in noe valley say they're closing at the end of the month after ten years in business. the owners have not given many details on what actually went into the decision to close, but they did say the decision is a very personal one. starting today, merchandise is being marked off and although the store is closing at the end of the month, folio books is still shipping items through march 15th. also a groundbreaking san francisco restaurant and performance space is getting ready to close its doors. >> asia sf on ninth street in the south of market neighborhood , is known for its asian fusion menu and its choreographed shows featuring transgender stars like many businesses, asia sf has struggled since covid. the owner told us the restaurant will close march 31st after nearly 26 years in business. the date coincides with the international transgender day of visibility. >> the word trans gender was not really part of our vocabulary back then. even so, we've really evolved with the whole transgender community in terms of the language and the whole message, and trying t

we have only two recognized earthquake cottages in noe valley and this one too, combined into one, andthe one at 300 cumberland by dolores park. the valley suite earthquake cottage should be preserved as it is now intact and at the front of the property, and not put on top of some other structure. i've been following this since 2016. i appreciate everybody's time and i support the discretionary review. thank you very much. good afternoon. our names are andrew and tiffany kearney. our home is located at 365 valley street, where the neighbor to the immediate east of 369 valley. we've owned the home since 1989 and have brought up three children here. we support the discretionary review filed by mr. norton and have a strong preference for the alternative plans prepared by mr. garavaglia, as detailed in the doctor versus mr. lenoir online version. we would also like to state our objection to the variance being requested for the rear addition of mr. lenoir's plan. the noise the lenoir plan raises the rear addition roofline by approximately nine feet from the existing rear structure to an ele

construction for that bathroom at noe valley town square begins this month.irred up a lot of controversy when it was first announced in 2022, with a price tag of $1.7 million. but city officials said the price has dropped to $300,000 thanks to a donation of a prefab restroom unit. that new toilet is set to open to the public in april. hundreds of people in sacramento county gathered outside in the cold to raise funds for a good cause. >> roughly 300 people braved the 46 degree water at folsom lake to raise $150,000 for the northern california special olympics. the polar plunge drew many from law enforcement agencies throughout the sacramento area. very cold. this year we had a great course for the five-k and lovely medals and just wonderful for people to come out and support athletes with intellectual disabilities. >> liz, i'm a big, you know, promoter for getting active and, you know, participate in inclusion. so i think this was a perfect event for special olympics is the world's largest sports organization for children and adults, with intellectual disabil

he represents the castro and noe valley.hoods have been hit hard in recent months. >> it's very alarming for our shoppers and it's very alarming for folks who work in these stores when, you know, six or a dozen folks come in and just start sweeping stuff out of the out of off the shelves. >> supervisor mandelman says the police department is understaffed and more officers are needed to help stop retail theft. last year, the board of supervisors approved an extra $25 million for police overtime time. well, it's still two years away, but levi's stadium is already looking ahead to the fifa world cup in 2026. we now know new details about the six matches to be played in santa clara. ktvu james torres live at levi stadium with the ideas already in place to prepare for the worldwide tournament and why this summer is a big moment for those preparations. i know you're excited, james, no doubt. >> pam. good morning to you here. well, the 49ers, of course, are not here at levi's stadium. they're in vegas preparing for super bowl 58. b

the new location is expected to open this spring near 24th in vicksburg in noe valley. >> a beloved dive bar in the north bay is closing next week. owners of the dirty in santa rosa say the bar will close march 1st, due to circumstances that it says it cannot move past. the dirty opened in 2019, but the owners tell sf gate the building has housed a bar since at least the 1920s. since opening five years ago, the business has been known for its karaoke nights and live djs. the bar is now having a liquidation sale that runs through sunday night. >> an ancient lake in death valley, which was revived by recent storms, is showing its staying power. the lake is in death valley's badwater basin. it formed in august in the aftermath of hurricane hillary. the lake gradually shrank, but the recent atmospheric rivers have now filled it back up. death valley is the driest place in north america, typically gets about two inches of rain per year, but it has received more than double that much in the past six months, and usually here in the bay area, our temperatures hover right around 60 to 62 degrees.

well, sonoma and napa at 55 noe valley today. your peak at 54 degrees. if you're staying put for the big game on sunday. well, good for you. it's actually going to be warmer here than it will be in vegas with low 60's for your daytime highs. not so bad at all tomorrow and sunday. temperatures will be a little bit warmer sunday for game time looking really good. and we're staying dry for the beginning of next week, likely to see some showers rolling through towards the middle of the week. back to you. thanks. a lot of 10, 18 and the east bay, the berkley school district is warning about a phone scam. >> where somebody calls and they say that your child has been kidnapped. it happened or parent on wednesday, somebody called and they were speaking spanish and they said their child is kidnapped. they had to pay a ransom, but it turns out their child was safe and in school. so the berkeley district wants you to know about this and not fall victim to it. take a look at what they say you should do. first of all, stay calm is somebody gives you this call. don't

here in the bay area, they're making king cakes at noe valley bakery in san francisco. king cake is a plastic baby. whoever gets the baby and their slice is supposed to have good luck for the new year. they also have to buy the king cake and next year, mardi gras is the final party before tomorrow. ash wednesday, the beginning of lent. and tomorrow is also valentine's day. of course, many couples will send flowers. none will be like that of an east bay couple that has been married, was married for almost 50 years now. >> even after one of them died, the flowers, they keep coming. if you're wondering how now, abc seven news reporter leslie brinkley has their love story. >> i think that that is one of the most romantic things i've ever heard of in my life. >> this is the story of john and diana. >> we were married 47 years, but we actually met in high school when we were 16 years old. >> they married and had three children and lived happily ever after, including decades spent in danville until john maver passed away in october 2017. but their love story continued four mon

today as owner of uma casa in san francisco, a portuguese restaurant in the noe valley neighborhood,d to show his pride with a partnership that highlights the work of rita. >> tying in san francisco and portugal is really exciting and feels really special. >> reporter: his wife created a cocktail that celebrates his heritage with local connections. and for each drink sold, customers receive a special piece of artwork rita made for this occasion. >> i'm not just sharing my love for the niners. i'm also sharing my culture and my country where i'm -- i came from. >> reporter: the love and support rita receives as an artist and member of the faithful can only be topped by the chance to go back to levi's and see her team in-person again. >> it was a dream come true because we always -- here in portugal, we see the games through tv and we didn't get to experience the environment. and just sharing it with people who love it as much as we do. >> reporter: and so there are multiple ways to enjoy this fan art that we're talking about. you can look up rita on instagram. just look rita oak artis

today adds owner of uma casa in san francisco a portuguese restaurant in the noe valley neighborhoods excited to show his proud with a partnership that highlights the work of rita. >> tieing in san francisco and portugal is really exciting and feels really special. >> reporter: his wife created a cocktail that celebrates his heritage with local connections. and for each drink sold, customers receive a special piece of artwork rita made for this occasion. >> i'm not just sharing my love for the niners. i'm also sharing my culture andmy country where i'm -- i came from. >> reporter: the love and support rita receives as an artist and member of the faithful can only be topped by the chance to go back to levi's and see her team in-person again. >> it was a dream come true because we always -- here in portugal we see the games through tv and we didn't get to experience the environment. and just sharing with people who love it as much as we do. >> reporter: so if you want to see all of rita's work, you cango to her instagram. just look up ritaoakartist on instagram. and that collaboration

and some of those cool spots right out in the i always think of noe valley just because it's a cool little microclimate out there, cool little neighborhood too, but just a cool little microclimate. so they could get cool down in the upper 40s. right now, santa rosa is in the low 40s. san francisco is at 48. that's pretty interesting. so they'll easily get in the 40s, won't they? little cooler tonight than last night. and then there is the parameters. or there are the parameters for the frost advisory. so and i said it earlier i'm not a gardener. i'll bet like a hardcore gardeners know what to do with that information. i just know it just means a credit card and scrape an ice off the windshield. but i'm sure the gardeners it matters in some ways with bulbs or such. so here are the forecast highs for tomorrow. like today. it's going to be nice. next couple of days look great. a couple clouds in here. but overall money temperatures jump back up into the low 60s, which is kind of where they should be for this time of year. believe it or not, we're supposed to be average temperatures generally

supervisor rafael mandelman organized the event and represents the castro and noe valley. the walgreens in those neighborhoods have been hit hard in recent months. it's very alarming for shoppers and it's very alarming for the folks who work in these stores. >> when, you know, six or a dozen folks come in and just start sweeping stuff out of the off the shelves, says supervisor mandelman said the police department is understaffed and that more officers are needed to help stop retail theft. >> last year, the board of supervisors approved an extra $25 million for police overtime. come now to vallejo, where police are investigating a deadly shooting that happened just off columbus parkway sunday afternoon near the intersection of bonnie way and melody lane, t r from northgate park. police say they arrived to find a mawho'd been shot. he died at the scene. officers say they're still in the early stages of the investigation. police aren't saying if they have any information on a possible suspect. this is the second homicide in vallejo. this year. >> well, a soccer fan who was s

supervisor rafael mandelman, whose district includes the castro and noe valley, organized this town hall. he says walgreens stores in those areas have been hit hard in recent months. >> it's very alarming for shoppers and it's very alarming for folks who work in these stores when, you know, six or a dozen folks come in and just start sweeping stuff out of the out of off the shelves supervisor mandelman added that the police department is understaffed and more officers are needed to help combat retail theft. >> tonight, a man is facing several charges after officials say he broke into the san francisco northern police station there, on fillmore near turk. police say on thursday, 35 year old sampson vasily kantoff entered without permission and was holding department issued property. officers say they arrested him after a brief struggle. he was then booked in jail for burglary and resisting arrest. tonight, san francisco, like most of the bay area, is surveying the damage from the recent storms. >> ktvu christian captain shows us how the city is cleaning up after strong winds caused proble

san francisco officials say construction for that restroom at noe valley town square will begin this month. the project stirred controversy when it was first announced in 2022, with a whopping $1.7 million price tag. but city officials said the cost has dropped to $300,000. thanks to a donation of a prefabricated restroom unit. the toilet is set to open to the public in april. >> well, hundreds of people in el dorado county gathered outside in the cold to raise funds for a good cause, roughly 300 people braved the 46 degree water there at folsom lake to raise $150,000 for the northern california special olympics. the polar plunge drew many from law enforcement agencies throughout the sacramento area. >> this year, we had a great course for the five k and lovely medals and just wonderful for people to come out and support athletes with intellectual disabilities. >> i'm a big, you know, promoter for getting active and, you know, participate in inclusion. so i think this was a perfect event. >> special olympics is the world's largest sports organization for children and adults, with int

. >> then noe valley will finally get a public toilet. but it's not without controversy.on what was once considered a costly commode a victory that is there for the taking. grab it. now that was a great halftime speech. let's go win. [jim valvano] don't give up. don't ever give up® now at six days since those powerful storms, thousands are still in the dark this morning. lights may be slowly trickling on, and a landmark insurrection case before the supreme court, and it could determine whether former president donald trump is allowed to appear on the ballot. then a penguin baby h

in the mission bay districtism lived in san francisco in noe valley. grew up with my mom and i went to high school in san ma te'o. after high school i went to mississippi where i played volleyball in university of southern mississippi. what got me going after college was i was applying to place related to fire and police i loved my experience but my family is home. i grew up here and could not be far from my family anymore i came back. >> i have been a firefighter for 4 years the transition to the fire department has been seam tells is the same. team work and coming together. transitioning to the job med me comfortable that i made the right decision to come become and work for a fire department that is big in diversity and equality and becoming a fell. i got to be a member at a few different fire stations. each station has their own culture. i worked in places that are xroem and with a young crew and had the most seniority have 3 or 2 years in whatever it may be. learning stuff when people have been in the job for 20 plus years and learning from people

i live in noe valley. i assure you there is no view of marina green from my house. so, i am only here because i am offended by a city agency that is taking our public amenity and giving it to the monied class. is this--i haven't seen this many people show up angered and completely surprised what is happen to the city of san francisco. i'm urging you to do something about this. this public amenity should be left to the public. this is not-yacht owners, 500 of them, 250 do not have higher precedent over us the public, common people. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. weheard we heard a lot about the open space. i want to address-unfortunate that the city attorney office walked out of the room. they are proposing a yacht harbor, more traffic in a area that is heavily used by on-water recreational users. first of all, a tremendous liability for the city because somebody will get run over. it will happen. rec and park is now on notice. second of all, i regularly over the 40 years i have been in the city row from east of the area to the gold

yes, her own rent in noe valley and with a roommate while working at ucsf. and what i think is basically minimum wage job. i'm a resident of ingleside terraces, my neighborhood's where i walk. yes, i walk and shop and eat at small and local businesses are west portal, ocean avenue, lakeside, saint francis woods, balboa terraces. i'm here to urge the planning commission to not approve the up zoning plan and go back to the drawing board. the plan, as we've heard, is overly simplistic and is not considered preservation of the character of san francisco's history and family residences, as others have spoken eloquently about the impact on small businesses and how it doesn't actually make a dent on affordable housing. i want to focus on the community and families that we all hope we all want. you to raise here, and how upzoning is actually going to destroy historic residential neighborhoods, particularly on the west side in district seven, where families are indeed raised a tall building on ocean avenue was just highlighted as a success by staff member chen, but t

in the mission bay districtism lived in san francisco in noe valley. grew up with my mom and i went to high school in san ma te'o. after high school i went to mississippi where i played volleyball in university of southern mississippi. what got me going after college was i was applying to place related to fire and police i loved my experience but my family is home. i grew up here and could not be far from my family anymore i came back. >> i have been a firefighter for 4 years the transition to the fire department has been seam tells is the same. team work and coming together. transitioning to the job med me comfortable that i made the right decision to come become and work for a fire department that is big in diversity and equality and becoming a fell. i got to be a member at a few different fire stations. each station has their own culture. i worked in places that are xroem and with a young crew and had the most seniority have 3 or 2 years in whatever it may be. learning stuff when people have been in the job for 20 plus years and learning from people

supervisor rafael mendelman organized the event and represents the castro and noe valley.recent months. it's very alarming for shop owners and it's very alarming for folks who work in these stores. >> when, you know, six or a dozen folks come in and just start sweeping stuff out of the out of off the shelves. >> supervisor mendelman says the police department is understaffed and more officers are needed to help stop retail theft. last year, the board of supervisors approved an extra $25 million for police overtime and a group of migrants were detained by immigration agents in phenix as an investigation is underway to determine if any of them were involved in an attack on new york city police officers over the weekend. the migrants were picked up at a greyhound bus station in phenix in. investigators say they were looking t who left new york city following their arrest for the attack on two new york city officers. they were believed to be headed for calexico, a city in southern california on the border with mexico. >> there's growing opposition by republicans in congress to

every month we focus on a different district so if you can't make saturday kick off we will be in noe valley and other neighborhoods on february 10. the season schedule can be found at sfpublicworks.org/volunteer. i hope you can join us and these are rain or shine events and we routinely have rain. with that, happy to take any questions. thank you. >> thank you director short. and thank you for explaining the downtown sink hole. very busy intersection critical to downtown business and figured public works would have been called to help and wanted to hear you say the words. i think the public should know we are always johnny and jenny on the spot so thank you very much. chair hartwig-schulman, do you have questions or comments for director short? >> i like to comment. i just wanted to thank everyone for all their hard in reaching the pci score of 75. that's awesome. i know it has been years in the making and i appreciate all the employees who help make this happen. you should be very very proud. please keep it up and i want to also say, having our roads maintained to these standards helps kee

i am one of the largest property owners in noe valley and i have often talked to-not often, i talkedffy and wiener about developing the property. i had files, plans filed with the planning for 7 years now to build a house on what's presumably a empty lot. yes, the parcel must be split, but seeing nothing but delays and unfortunately that is why requirement i was planning using the money from that trophy house that will be built that i can't afford to own or live in and pay the mortgage or the taxes. but, it will support me for the rest of my life hopefully it will be longer then what's typically predicted for somebody my age. i'm 81 years old and i love the city. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm peter warfield, executive director of library user association library user 20084 at yahoo.com. couple points today. the library is planning on approving a new so called strategic plan. later regular meeting in march and it is complete rejection apparently of the existing mission statement and essentially blank check with no measureables

in the mission bay districtism lived in san francisco in noe valley. grew up with my mom and i went to high school in san ma te'o. after high school i went to mississippi where i played volleyball in university of southern mississippi. what got me going after college was i was applying to place related to fire and police i loved my experience but my family is home. i grew up here and could not be far from my family anymore i came back. >> i have been a firefighter for 4 years the transition to the fire department has been seam tells is the same. team work and coming together. transitioning to the job med me comfortable that i made the right decision to come become and work for a fire department that is big in diversity and equality and becoming a fell. i got to be a member at a few different fire stations. each station has their own culture. i worked in places that are xroem and with a young crew and had the most seniority have 3 or 2 years in whatever it may be. learning stuff when people have been in the job for 20 plus years and learning from people

i am one of the largest property owners in noe valley and i have often talked to-not often, i talkedand wiener about developing the property. i had files, plans filed with the planning for 7 years now to build a house on what's presumably a empty lot. yes, the parcel must be split, but seeing nothing but delays and unfortunately that is why requirement i was planning using the money from that trophy house that will be built that i can't afford to own or live in and pay the mortgage or the taxes. but, it will support me for the rest of my life hopefully it will be longer then what's typically predicted for somebody my age. i'm 81 years old and i love the city. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm peter warfield, executive director of library user association library user 20084 at yahoo.com. couple points today. the library is planning on approving a new so called strategic plan. later regular meeting in march and it is complete rejection apparently of the existing mission statement and essentially blank check with no measureables no m

in the mission bay districtism lived in san francisco in noe valley. grew up with my mom and i went to high school in san ma te'o. after high school i went to mississippi where i played volleyball in university of southern mississippi. what got me going after college was i was applying to place related to fire and police i loved my experience but my family is home. i grew up here and could not be far from my family anymore i came back. >> i have been a firefighter for 4 years the transition to the fire department has been seam tells is the same. team work and coming together. transitioning to the job med me comfortable that i made the right decision to come become and work for a fire department that is big in diversity and equality and becoming a fell. i got to be a member at a few different fire stations. each station has their own culture. i worked in places that are xroem and with a young crew and had the most seniority have 3 or 2 years in whatever it may be. learning stuff when people have been in the job for 20 plus years and learning from people