most of them are noncatholic. we are there to serve the community. i am hoping that this legislation moves forward so that old st. mary's and as pastor can see that everything is completed and that we continue to do our ministry. nonprofits have a difficult time complying many times with city ordinances, but we do the best we can and moving this legislation along would be so helpful to us to continue serving the community since we have been there since 1854. thank you. supervisor maxwell: thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is bret gladstone and i represent the theaters and i want to follow up on some of the comments that my client, greg holland, gave you a little bit earlier. this is a great piece of legislation for st. mary's, and we hope that part of it can go through. it's also a great requested to be more flexible in the areas to which landmark buildings can donate their t.d.r.s. however, i, too, have some concerns. as my client stated, we're concerned about the loan obligations we have to pay down the loans with proceeds from the

. >> reporter: so they hold mass where they can, in their own homes, and noncatholic churches, ministeringl, female congregation who say the church is not meeting their needs. >> if you had a meeting with the pope, if you could see pope benedict, what would you say to him? >> i'm not sure i'd like to have a meeting with this pope just because i don't think he's very open and that's a huge road block. >> reporter: it's the kind of spiritual road block that she is trying to remove. and the catholic church is resisting. is it up to god? >> i think it is up to god. and i think god has said to me you can be ordained. >> so how important is this movement? i asked our vatican analyst john allen. this is what he told me. he said, you look at the poll numbers, large numbers of catholics support the ordination of priests. at the same time most catholics aren't willing to follow these women until the church gives its blessing. i've asked if these priests would ever be recognized in the eyes of the church in their lifetime, all of them said sadly and emphatically, no. >> but they consider themselves p