. >> we're talking about nonessentialeople. not that. and dagen, i have no problem with what you just said. we should always be prioritizing. like any good business, the government should also say, are these people essential? are they useful? and reasonable people caagree that a lot of the things that we're not doing over the past couple of weeks are tings that we should be doing. and, gary, the markets spoke last week. wh it looked like we were getting closer to an agreement, to getting the government runng again, to avoiding the debt ceiling crisis, the markets soared. >> i'm going to jump in here. because what we're really talking about, ben, is everyday people. people watching this show. were their lives changed? were theirives impacted? just like sequestration. i don't know. we might be finding out we can live with a smaller government. >> except for this. except for this, charles, which is that the heads of every uniformed service hasaid they cannot defend the united states in the eventf serious military problems. d that is a real