patent may need to be -- the item needs to be new or novel, nonobvious and has to be something that has a utility and the thing about mobile apps is the technology is changing so quickly, and, you know, by the time your patent actually gets filed and gets to the process, it may not even be a product on the market anymore. there are plenty of other intellectual property measures you can use to protect it. and, you know, certainly if you're curious, talk to a pat lawyer, it is a cost benefit for that type of technology. >> there is stuff you want to do like, i think i remember being an entrepreneur my cem before becoming an investor, and i think it was pillsbury was my lawyer and they said go to the u.s. patent, you know, website, and i, you know, registered the name of the business and things like that. you probably want to, like, register your name, protect that, because that's the real -- if you're a mobile app, it costs 5k to get it out. so it is your name that is probably the intellectual property. not the technology. >> okay. let's move on to the next question, about protecting your

. >> what are some of the nonobvious and still immediate implications of the shutdown? >> i think there is a whole range of things the department does with industry, with our industry partners, that -- everything from merger and acquisition activities and reviews, to small business activities, small business loans, and all of that is is just being delayed. and so you really are having this knockdown effect that will last for some period of time, even if we do get back up and running. >> i mean one of the things for example and you said it on this case, is the committee on foreign investment in the united states where any foreign company that wants to buy an american company has to go to a review. and that office is losed. >> the department of treasury is the one responsible for that. and they are -- they have still a skeleton staff. but that's one of those issues where there is legislative, there is only a certain amount of days and you need a work force there to complete it so you can comply with the law. >> this is ultimately going to get resolved one way or another.