the only alternative is ownership or nonownership. nonownership no one owns the whales. that's why we almost ran out of buffalo because we weren't allowed to own them. so, nonownership is not good, and government ownership is -- i'm not sure which is worse. government is as far as i'm concerned is a libertarian, government is a highly problematic institution which is based on coercion and the libertarian ethos is voluntaryism. so i'm sort of against private own -- public ownership, government ownership and nonownership which means private ownerson, so aprivate ownership for just at everything. >> prefer block, this the third the series. what was the first book about. >> guest: why we should privatize roads, streets and highways. and my main embus were two. first you realize how many people die on the government roads? almost 40,000 a year nor last umpteen years, goes up 35,000, 40,000. that's a lot of people being killed. and to just put that in spiff, how many people died in 9/11? just 3,000. how many died in katrina? 1900. and that's a one-shot deal. this is 35, 38,000