would it make sense to have a justification for nonsuspension or debarment in light of criminal or civil fraud, that that be forwarded to the inspectors general? >> i would want some time to consider that option. in a little more detail. but it would definitely sort of change the culture of the suspension and debarment programs which typically aren't about punishment. they're about making business decisions and making sure the department is working with responsible contractors. i can say that i think in the case of a criminal conviction, at least from the point of view of our i.g. agents the defense criminal investigative service, we do play a role in that we're the referring entity often for a violation of suspension and debarment and we don't just wait until there's a criminal conviction. it's one of the remedies in our toolkit is to make a referral to the suspension and debarment authority. i don't think we need to play a role in management of that program. we should oversee it. we issued a report in july of 2011 on the service agencies in dla and dla was actually fairly aggressive in