and i'm going with nontroversy. i think it's fascinating, this is part of having this totally different person as president with his experience. kellyanne conway told you earlier, this is clearly going under review to some ethics advisers and attorneys. i assume the white house council's office, once he takes office, will need to make sure that everything is square here, as well. but, if, indeed, it gets the legal blessing and he stays on with executive producers, draws salaries from royalties, i think we'll have to watch to see if there's any policy making that comes out of the white house that somehow impacts broadcasters in that way and maybe if he's an executive producer, there could be a conflict there to discuss. but i don't see this being much of a controversy. >> and kellyanne conway also said, all presidents need a hobby. >> and then she called work his hobby, right? >> she was referring to the ability to multitask. and she took a shot at obama saying that the president was playing golf all along and still

. >> now, it's telling this entire miniature controversy, we could even call it a nontroversy, fixatedogans, not trump's actual governance. the thing that impacts people's lives isn't whether it's cute to say swamp or whether it's best expressed as dts. it's whether the people who made this swamp still get to run it. and trump actually did have a point when he campaigned on the idea that bankers run washington. people from top banks held big jobs in the bush administration and the obama administration. trump ran on changing that and so far, the only way he's changing it is by super sizing it. trump has put, this is a fact, more goldman executives and billionaires in his administration already than were in the last ones. now, whether you think that's good or bad, it's literally the opposite of what he ran on. now, up next, new fallout over the inaugural festivities and trump's conflicts of interest. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and th