. >> charlie: this reminds of nora efron and she's telling nora, this is nora's story write this down. >> yes. write this down. i loved telling the story. almost like when people overcome drugs or whatever they love telling the story. i loved telling it. when meacham sat me down and said you have to write a book. >> charlie: even though we are all enormously curious about how people change their lives, the events and circumstances that caused them to change whether it's marriage and divorce whether it's changing jobs, it's the fascination with the reset. >> and people want to know can i do that reset without having a brain hemorrhage. and you can. >> charlie: but can you ask this question, you know, i'm so much happier because i've maintained my intensity but less cluttered it's almost worth the experience i went through? >> it put a lot of people i love through a very very tough time. that's something i wouldn't want to go through again. but i am a better person than i was before the event, without question. and i think i will have a better life because of what happened because i was