i wish we had more time to read about norbert wiener's peculiarities because they are really something. he is talking as a 12-year-old about the greater things. what are the greater things? where did he go in his life with that brilliance. >> he got his doctorate and post doctorate work. he was just a genius at not just mathematics, but the logic of mathematics. it was at a time when computers were being developed. at a time when a computer was a person with a slide rule and a pencil. literally that's what they were called. he was put into the war effort in 1940, '41, in order to deal with a lustoff he was interested if the fact -- and he came to this true his wartime work -- that you could put people and mechanical things egg including electromechanical things in a single task. so he conceived of anti-aircraft as the combination of people on the ground, the gunner, et cetera, and a circle of causality between the airplane in the sky, the speed of the airplane, the maneuvers of the airplane, the ability of the pilot to do evasive maneuvers. and a round circle of information, which was,