with an adversary basically, agreing that a particularly norm -- agreeing that a particular norm should attach to our behavior, especially as it applied to cyberspace. that might be one potential model. there's another model which is, can we as like-minded states, that is sitting down with our nato allies, for instance, try to articulate in some level of detail what norms we think are acceptable? there was some discussion in the last panel about values. what do we stand for, what are our values? we could come together as nato countries and identify what our values are as reflected in behavior in cyberspace. so that would be another possibility. there is a domestic law -- angle too. and we've already seen some of this happen. what i'm talking about here is indictments of people overseas, including foreign officials, for activities they've engaged in in cyberspace, including hacking there. have been indictments of people from the people's liberation army. that might have been the thing that motivated the chinese to enter into an m.o.u. with us. there have been indictments of iranian offic

at least the norms as they currently exist. maybe the question is should we have said more that we try to announce that they should be informed. i think you have to think carefully about what kind of things do we do in other countries to influence elections in ways we think are legitimate but might be seen through the eyes of others is not as dissimilar from what we saw in the russia thing. he was trying i think to draw a line between what was unlawful between what was problematic. >> and i think this is a perfect question for you to post, david, for the session with senator byrd. i think david sanger was here david sanger with your listening so he may have noted himself. i just want to make one final comment before we close the panel or i think the panelists. the real issue when it comes to tackling these problems is the need for international leadership and this is where whether it is having the right was bonds ahead of the time, after-the-fact, whether it is getting, setting ourselves up so we have no further information ope

i think it would have to be a very narrow norm and a specific norm. but if the norm were we will not literally have foreign election machines, i think we could get onboard it with and i don't know. but it's possible that the russians might be willing to get onboard. if not, then how does the like minded conversation go? while you could develop slightly broader set of norms, i think that people would agree with that might include, for example, not interfering with infrastructure during peacetime. then the question is, okay, that is nice. you and nato countries have all agreed on this norm. how does that impact the russians? will that affect their behavior at all? and i guess what you have to maybe you have to take a long term view here which is if we think that is a proper norm to develop generally, then we should try to start developing it with our allies and maybe at some point we have 100 countries signed on it to and at some point on the margins that could affect russian behavior and how others react. but it is a much softer move. finally in, the b

i think that social norms, informal norms are remarkably speechl at prohibiting and therefore indirectly prohibiting behavior. they certainly can change frequently. we have lots of examples for that. you for your distractions and your work. you have defined dangerous speech. theseid five of indicators must be true. a speaker with a high degree of influence over the audience. the audience has fears the speaker can cultivate. a social or historical context that is propitious for violence. and the means of dissemination, influential in itself because it sourcesole or relevant for the audience. i think we should put a concrete example on the table. we should start with one of the most controversial at the university of oklahoma. a number of students were videotaped on abbas engaging in some extraordinarily offensive engaging in a bus some extra nearly offensive speech. what were the circumstances of the case and why do you think the university was wrong for expelling the students? he didn't tell me he was went to as with us. to be clear. a group of students in a fraternity had rented a bus a

the explicit norm of stability. in order to join, you were required to read the rules, which is something none of us have done regarding facebook, twitter or youtube. how many of you have read the rules? you do not even know where to find them. in totalaw operating ignorance of law, in which case it is quite difficult to consider that law as an effective set of norms. coming back to other experiments, although we cannot see them or talk about them much, there are increasing experiments to form communities online and off-line in which norms are explicitly and clearly declared and enforce , not necessarily by means of formal law. nonetheless, they work. ,ven on university campuses they are not homogenous places. they include places where students live, they include classrooms and other spaces others have called professional spaces on campuses. there are also fully public spaces on campus where one would expect norms to operate less effectively and free speech to run rampant for good and for ill. that is not necessaril

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norm thinks it was a collaboration. i had to fire general flynn because he lied to the vice president and here is the key part, and the fbi. do you believe this explanation from john dowd that he's the one who drafted this or oh, my goodness, i have to step in and cover the president on this. >> in some sense it doesn't matter in legal terms. over the weekend, i thought to myself -- >> why doesn't it matter? >> we'll get to that in one second. over the weekend, i thought to myself dowd just made a mistake, sloppy draftsmanship. he was trying to con flight a couple of terms and he's 76 years old and he's not a twitter guy. now i'm not so sure. >> but he's a lawyer. >> he is a lawyer, indeed. but now why it's not so meaningful, if the lawyer constructs it and the president through his communication team allows it to go out and it says that they knew that flynn lied or misled and then the key part, then they go to comey and say stand down on this, it doesn't make a difference at that point to me who drafted it, whether it'

more world leaders actively threatened with nuclear weapons the more you also undermine this kind of norm that we had so far that oh you're not supposed to go there. and it just really increases the risk of the use do you also see that coupled with huge investments in modernization programs a new nuclear posture review that is rolling back another steps in going in the wrong direction to developing new types of nuclear weapons more useable nuclear weapons and addition of course also openly mocking diplomacy as an alternative and that is one of the most dangerous thing i think to to see in the goal shared agreements solutions to problems peaceful solutions as something negative and that bombing killing civilians would be better stronger it's absurd you would have been critical i think of any u.s. president and their nuclear strategy but donald trump is different and just days before you got the news that i cam was going to get the nobel peace prize you were on twitter referring i think to comments attributed to the u.s. secretary of state you tweeted donald trump is a moron. can be trusted

as norm mentioned, there is this requirement of corrupt intent. i tell my law students, all crimes have at least two, the criminal act and the criminal intent. the act is some act to instruct or impede with an investigation. asking a witness to lie, something someone to stop in an investigation, destroying a document. the harder part of these are proving intent and as norm said, it's improving that corrupt intent, that bad purpose. and one of the things that a judge would instruct a jury about finding corrupt intent is to say something along the lines of, we can't read other people's minds. and so for that reason, we have to look at the totality of the circumstances to determine their intent. you should look at all of the things the person said, all. things the person did, and all of the surrounding circumstances and from that, you may use your common sense to draw reasonable inferences about the person's intent. and so those are the things that the brookings report, the prue report does in this case, looking at all of those factors to try to glea

norm: is an extraordinary development. challenge is it shifts the debate and the subject to the united states' political making decisions. it's more useful if we can keep the focus of the conversation on the peace process and on iran and the issues that underline extremism in the middle east. kevin: staying with israel, with president trump's decision to do that, it was applauded by benjamin netanyahu and many conservative groups. if you get some criticism from democrats, even those that support israel. the you think it did anything at all to jeopardize vstoxx -- peace talks? certainly-- it collocated the parameters. it makes it difficult for the ies ors or the emirat the egyptians to play a role. i think he's talks depend upon with the framework of the deal ultimately is. kevin: saudi arabia voting against the united states on that referendum. you think nikki haley has done a sufficient job in representing the united states interests at the u.n.? haley does anor exceptional job. kevin: switching to saudi arabia, it has be

highs light blue norm ep west. around d.c. we head to saturday and sunday. second half of week. any snow on here, well, friday if you live east of town you may squeeze out a snow flake or two. no accumulations expected. late saturday night into first part of sunday we could see a couple passing flurries, no ak lakes expected. we head to next week and continue to keep our several systems and at this time don't see significant snows in the future. look at high on sunday. 39, chilly, chilly. that's a check of forecast and erin has been busy on the roads all morning. it will and rough one for commuters. >> especially rough as you wake up in aspen hill this morning. this is look at closure. there's a fatal crash investigation impacting commute on georgia avenue. closed about two miles in area of aspen hill road on southbound side and verona drive on northbound side. what can you do to get around that. best bet connecticut avenue or layhill road he in both directions. hop on lay hill road. you can take connecticut avenue starting to

most of the incidents happen due to lack of safety norms. trying to crack the whip against these enterprises, but there are still a lot of office and residential buildings that don't have proper safety norms. after this incident there will be more pressure on the local authorities to take action against the builders as well as the management who don't follow proper safety norms. the head of the nhs in england is considering making mobile alcohol recovery centres — known as drunk tanks — a permanent feature across england, to ease pressure on accident and emergency units and ambulance services. simon stevens said too many resources were being taken up by people who'd drunk too much alcohol ending up in hospital, particularly during the festive season. adina campbell reports. binge drinking at its worst — a big headache for police and a burden for the nhs. it is estimated up to 15% of attendances at emergency departments in the uk are alcohol—related. at this time of year that number is significantly more with as many as 70% of attendances at

traffic now kenilworth at eastern avenue northeast and norm and southbound wide on ebb and super light volume on major and crash free 95 dale city good and 50 through buoy quiet and waldorf looking good and bradywine and 6 through fairfax looking good and secondarys in sill sprer spring are quiet. volume pinging up northbound side of main lanes of 95. not enough to cause slow do downs. route 1 well as well. 270 frer good and metro picks up at 5. questions erinfoxdc on twitter, back to you. >> all right. 4:47 tractor-trailer time. continuing coverage on our investigation in grade fixing in prince george county public schools. >> we learned some school officials knew more than a year ago some students were graduating without meeting requirements. "fox5" anjali hemphill live in upper marboro with more details this mrning. good morning. >> good morning, guys, this is a significant development. it all comes from internal audit that only came to light after "fox5" confirmed it existed. and it shows that prince george county public schools did own investigation into all of this back in 2016 a

we like to experiment and defy the norm. we all love to sing, but we dance to different drummers. they say d.c. has no soul. well, we not only have soul, we have heart, and we show it every day. this is our town. these are our neighborhoods. >> it is election day in alabama and this year's bitter and couldn't verse yam race finally coming to end ahead at 7 one final pitch to vote erin surprising new poll that shows unlookly nail biter. >> here locally a shooting at the minnesota avenue metro station and victim shot while standing on platform. coming up who police are looking for and why they need your help. >> also ahead the latest on new york city terror attack. suspect now talking to investigators and his family speaking out overnight. >> and if you just wake up this morning how about this live look outside. the white house on december 12, 2017. >> looks pretty but breezy out there too with flag on top. let's check in with tuck erin como for a look at weather and

at the f.c.c., a norm where the majority ignores the will of the thele, a norm where majority stands oddly by while the people they are committed to they've taken an loseto serve, are about to so much. host: brian fung, pretty strong statement. was a lot to unpack there. the first thing that stood out wase at the end there commissioner clyburn's remarks about the process that led us to ais point, which has become major point of contention in this proceeding. there's been a lot of questions about whether comments in the making in the policy process, were falsified or robots,nt or written by in ways that could have tampered with the decision making process to seehink you'll expect these issues being raised in litigation that's almost inevitably going to occur as a result of this decision. guest: definitely. just jumping off on that, you byeady have investigations the new york state attorney general, eric schneiderman, for anmple, has launched investigation into stolen identities used to file these people filede dead comments -- their names were used. and people who didn't submit used,t

norm we'll start with you. you wrote a look -- book 11 years ago about how congress is that book really cast a lot of blame on both parties for the decline of congress as a deliberative body, as a body that really debated and worked together and used the rules in an appropriate fashion to allow all the members to have a say and a buy-in and now it's really cheer what we have is acy metric and seen it on display this year with an all-republican congress. the idea of now turning to bipartisanship after tax bill that is unlike anything that i have seen ever in almost 50 years in washington in terms of giving a middle finger to the normal process shutting out democrats who wanted to be involved like joe manchin, it's almost absurd that they're now stretching out a hand for help and it's help, ali, just because they're scared to death that they could lose bigley next year. >> neera, is it true what mitch mcconnell said at some point if the hand of bipartisanship is extended that the democrats would be wrong to bite

a norm enormously one gained ground in the whole region in iraq in syria in lebanon so i think that is the main preoccupation sold those countries that interfered minutes really directly or into have directly in syria they had side effects which were very unfavorable towards them and now they're concentrating on these factors to eliminate them so for the turkey this is the kurds and for the so does this is iran says we're talking about all the players involved and you mentioned iran iranian sponsored man power is crush will tell us that success all those advisors militias etc if that stays in power and eventually wins the war is that going to give iran for a chill mastery over syria will assad have to become aidan's client. i didn't i don't think so in the sense that also a sub wouldn't want those forces those foreign forces on his country except in a kind of way like for instance russia having a military base or so but not to say to dominate the regime is not what he wants at

there are norms of behavior for over thehappens pacific ocean. the development of norms of behavior in space is one of the things that has to be done government to government and with the private sector. we've got issues on launch, norms of behavior with respect to creating debris. the united states air force has been keeping the catalog of objects in space and we are now in the situation of we tell the chinese, they put 3000 pieces of debris on orbit when they did the launch of 2007 and destroyed a weather satellite. .000 pieces of debris the united states air force is telling the chinese when their debris might interfere with a satellite. that is one service we provide. norms of behavior with respect to debris on orbit, minimizing debris. there a lot of nation to nation of thethe vice president national space council will help facilitate. impossible foro an outsider to understand the organization of all those commands in space, the joint functional commands. in 2015, there was something interagencyoint combined operations center. the worst acro

that a lot of what we have taken for granted in terms of the democratic norms and things like for example checks and balances that these turn out to be more metaphors than hard and fast rules. that our government and our s system has really been based on an honor system where the assumption was that the man or woman in the oval office was a reasonably honorable person and now we are testifying to what if that is not the case and how will we react as a democracy. were also realizing i hope and i can try to be tooiz dark here tt america the united states of america this shining city on a hill, this great last hope of humanity is not in fact in the history. we in fact can squander our democracy and that we can take the path that other democracies taken that we are not necessarily entitled to simply go on by violating these norms because we living with her. now that i don't think will be specifically defined by donald trump and by that i mean even after he leaves the damage will remain because of what has happened to us in is happening and is accelerating this rise of win at all cost partisan

al franken was one of those individuals taking on an incumbent republican, norm coleman, and as i heard him on the campaign trail, i heard what we heard today in his speech -- a willingness to fight for that vision so embodied in our constitution of government that would provide a foundation for families to thrive, that would lift everyone up, not a government of, by, and for the privileged. not a government of, by, and for the powerful. it takes a lot of guts to throw yourself into the political world, but because he did and

same legal norms of that of the soviet regime if you confessed you are guilty as the start of spring in general we seems to sad confession is the queen of proof so you don't have to find proof he confessed there's a lot to lying to the f.b.i. and the russian is we have to remember this and the whole thing was whether the trump team colluded with russia to guess not of their own interest taxes to her israel israel israel the latest gets blurry depending on how you try to go what. this is actually about though the question is why did flynn lie to the f.b.i. about doing nothing illegal right so was he is this all just a tip of some hidden russian collusion iceberg that he's going to flip or is this all they have why did he lie i'll tell you why he lied because the obama the outgoing obama administration and the media and the deep state colluded to create a witch hunt atmosphere we talked about this early on there. the whole goal here is to prevent anything to taunt occurring between russia and the u.s. and to create this new mccarthyite hysteria where you put people under oath you ask t

a norm where the majority ignores the will of the people, a norm when the majority stands idly by while people they're committed to serve, that it taken an oath to serve, are about to lose so much. >> host: brian fung, pretty strong statement. >> guest: it was a lot to unpack there. and the first thing that stood out to me at the end there was commissioner clyde burns remarks about the process that led us to this point which has become a major point of contention in this proceeding. there's been a lot of questions about whether comments in the record in the policymaking process were falsified or fraudulent or written by robots. in ways that could've tampered with the decision-making process. i think you'll expect to see these issues being raised in litigation that's almost inevitably going to occur as result of this decision. >> definitely. just jumping off that, you already have investigations by the next day the attorney general has launched an investigation into stolen identities being used to file this comment where that people filed comments. i guess they didn't file those comments

norm coleman had won by over 700 votes.s of recounting, franken came out on top of my 312 votes. our research proved over three times that number of ineligible persons participated illegally influencing the election. >> shannon: that was one for the history books but it really was. hard to believe it's been nine years. he talked today about having this great opportunity, honorable representative people, his brilliant, creative, hardworking state. he said whoever holds the seat will inherit the challenge. we will see that will be. i want to talk about your supreme court case. this is a case about whether you can wear political apparel at or around polling places on primary or general election day. up to a $5,000 fine, up to a year in jail. tell me what is political apparel question what did you get in trouble for? >> t-shirts, buttons, at that time. the way the law is written in the way the policy by the ramsey county elections manager, secretary of state at the time margaret g. they gave judges discretion to determine what

theit is also to prevent complete erosion of norms about the rule of law. that is why we have concluded. while we have some grounds pinned to statutory provisions, we have others based on abuses of power that are not tied to specific criminal or statutory provisions. one of the things trump has done is he has shattered through norms that constrained previous presidents, but were not contained in any specific statutory or constitutional provision about what you can and cannot do as president. if we do not begin impeachment proceedings, the president will precedent will be taken that it is ok to do these things. that is why it is important that not including these grounds would be to say it is ok and validated for future presidents as well as trump himself. thank you. i will close by saying, if there is any doubt as to what the , i hope weds are have a race to that doubt today. which is why we're issuing this white paper today. both publicly at our website, but also jointly with need to impeach united states congress. we will now close with a public signing o

this is winds, norm, norm west at 15 and cooler day than yesterday.again about 10, 15 cooler than yesterday and hoe pressure passing through carolinas brings us cloud cover and we'll keep it dry today and it won't being the day we had yesterday with the sunshine and temps in the 60s. 50 today. wiptser gets here tomorrow. rain on saturday. and maybe a few snowflakes on just in time for isn't app arrival. erin. >> 6:56 and i can it will you that travel times improving greatly on 66 and all lanes reopened out by 29 centerville and 29 gainsville to 234 prince william parkway. red zone 25 minute trip getting worse of congestion and 9 dealing with bailout traffic we'll look at maryland d.c. drive and metro as we continue. keep it to "fox5" 7:00 hour coming dunkin' sweet black pepper bacon sandwich is back. with twice the crispy caramelized peppered bacon. experience a breakfast sandwich made for bacon lovers. america runs on dunkin' while others just cook, at college inn we craft a deeper, richer broth b

ton of pictures are beautiful and extreme forth west of our areas saw a coating mostly snow stayed normf us late last morning. no issues on the roads. it's cold, temperatures here in the district falling below freezing after 7 . it will be 30 there by 11 . overnight tonight temperatures fall to the 20s. if you have to head back to work tomorrow a lot of people do. and we've got full four days ahead we'll start off cold and like i promised it is is going to be a very cold week ahead. temperatures may struggle to hit the freezing mark for several days in a row. so we'll talk about that coming up in the 7 day forecast and also a couple of opportunities for snow flurries and maybe as early as wednesday. i'll show you that ahead later on in the show. for now -- >> the weather set behind looks like reindeer ears. >> where? >> right there. >> hey, we're trying to play the part. >> there you go. >> exactly. >> doing it well. >> thank you, caitlin. >> it's a chilly day no doubt about that but did you see the run rise unreal members of fourth italian infinitery posted sun rising at the tom of the

. >> previous resolutions spanned 90% of norm korea export and this banned all remaining categories of major north korean exports and loss of 250 >> the recommend i'm defies revolution of council and norms of civilizeed behaviors and patience of the international community. they're arrogance and hos hostility to anything pro dublingttive set country on sgruingttive path. >> today's resolution was t tenth dealing with north korea and ball is kick former top advisors was asked to testify in the investigation into alleged russian interference in the residential election. this week house intelligence committee september heaters to mr. trump's former chief strategist steve bannon and form are campaign manager korey ludnoski. they'resuggesting they testify before house lawm lawmakers. the committee has not received a response from either. perhaps they're gearing up for christmas and this was not a surprise. and instead voluntary. no word on specific reasons that this was brought about or what questions the panel could ask. >> and turns out hundreds of environmental protection agency employee

i grew up with that kind of environment and became the norm.ou are under severe pressure at a very early age in your life. now he hopes others makes the right choice at their crossroads moment. he may not have got the result he wanted at sport personality, but 2017 has been a pretty good year for anthonyjoshua. the heavyweight world champion sold out wembley stadium and cardiff's principality stadium in two blockbuster world title fights, and told our reporter alex gulrajani that this year has changed the pressures now on him. realistically does, when you asked, think it is the pressure to deliver. i understand what people want. important to improve as a fighter. sol important to improve as a fighter. so i can go and do it. don't use your body can select. confident of getting a knockout. getting the win. not only that, looking good while doing it. that is what people want to see. i had to make sure i am improving in the gym. that is where that comes from. i know what people want. they are not hiding what they want, they are telling me. not good

bush and norm ornstein. bruce, you produced this.was an easy prediction i think we can all agree that these republicans would absolutely violate the trump campaign pledge not to cut medicare, medicaid and social security. and here we are. that's their plan for next year. >> well, it's been their plan for 40 years. the term starve the beast was i believe coined by your old boss, senator moynihan. i'm not sure about that but the plan has always been you blow up the deficit, you blow up the debt with huge tax cuts and then you say, oh, the deficit is so large we have to cut spending. and of course, you have people like grover norquist who has a tax pledge which means you can never raise taxes to deal with any deficit, no matter how large and all you're left with is cutting entitlement programs because, of course, defense is also off the table. and there's simply doing what they've been telegraphing the world that they're going to do for years thigh's right. senator moynihan stared that the in the early stages of the early '80s and final

so joining me to talk about that and a lot more, pam levy, ben jealous, and norm orstein. also author of the book "one nation after trump." with a welcome to you all, norm, i'll start with you and the fallout from the alabama senate race. the exit polls show women helped doug jones win. what does that say for future republican races there? >> what was most interesting about this, alex, is that it was suburban women and particularly the nonevangelical suburban women who turned to doug jones. a lot of those were trump-targeted voters, and voters who normally would go for republicans. and if that becomes a trend, admittedly roy moore, a racist anti-semite, homophobic, law-breaking pedophile may not be a typical candidate, but it doesn't spell good things for republicans, and i think there's a lot of nervousness out there if they lose a deep red state like alabama. >> you don't mince words do you there, norm? >> no. i'm too old for that, alex. >> kind of said it all. >> there you go. so, ben, a couple of headlines there that there were attempts at voter suppression. there was

that's wrong. >> norm, i got to give ken a quick final word here, just in fairness, just a quick one,uld be a great opportunity for us to shrink this entire entourage, not just for president trump, but now and forever. let's shrink the presidency. let's shrink the entourage forever. and, look, the point about him going to his own properties is an absolutely legitimate one, but at the same time, this is how he lived his life before he was president. i don't think this is a surprise to people who voted for him. this was covered pretty thoroughly when he was running for office. he would have his meetings during the campaign at these places. so it's not like he's pulling a fast one on anybody. do i wish it were done differently? yes. the main thing i wish were done differently was we didn't have this monstrously immense entourage with the presidency that shrink it in terms of dollars and people and power. >> ken, norm, thanks very much. happy holidays to you and your families. >>> next, we're going to be keeping the president honest on another claim that his new tax bill, in his words, es

constitutional structure and expressly designed to be used when a president threatens constitutional norms the institutions on which democracy rests or the rule of law. thank you. >> thank you, professor ross. our next speaker will be the legal director of free speech for people. >> thanks. i will begin with five categories of abuse of power that constitute grounds for an impeachment investigation and as professor ross noted not all impeachable offenses are ordinary crimes. these are not ordinary crimes but these five are serious abuses of power. these five categories are one advocating illegal violence to find the law. two, of using the pardon power. three directing law enforcement to pursue political targets. for undermining freedom of the press and 25th, recklessly burning nuclear war. to set this in context as the late supreme court justice antonio scalia noted it is the proud both of our democracy that we have a government of laws and not of men. president trump takes a curfew which is foreshadowed in 2016 when he urged his supporters to knock the crap out of protesters. he promised i

the language in my house was the norm. it had become the norm. and so, there were segregationists. who were not in 1968. i don't mean like george wallace who went, who was a segregationist. then when he lost the legal battle on segregation. he says as i quote him in the book here. he setz ays i don't talk about segregation. i talk law and order. the phrase, law and order became the code. republicans carried for decades. but, boy, i tell you. i probably experienced a little less than people who were in college in the 1960s. i've mean, just, just the pictures, okay. itch you went around to college campuses said i will take photographs of college campuses in 1962. they're going to look like this. going to be the, the men in blue blazers, neckties. at harvard and yale. a dress code. all of that. by the time you get to the end of the decade, there is no dress code. every harvard kid looks like a hippy. looked like they walked out of woodstock. there is co-ed dorms on campuses of the schools. this it the kind of evolution that used to take 100 years. because so much happened in 1968 whic

and i want to start with norm. >> thank you. thank you, kim, and thanks everybody for joining us today. and i'm very pleased to be here representing crew as part of this presidential investigation project that we do together with acs. i must say -- and by the way i've received a promotion on the senior fellow of brookings now. they must like trouble making over there. i must say that in my america which began with 20 years of law practice here in washington, d.c. principally as a criminal defense lawyer. i never imagined that i would see the day when the most pressing public question was the elements of an obstruction of justice claim and whether the separation of powers prohibits obstruction proceedings against a sitting president of the united states. whatever downsides there are to the era of trump it has made law students of all of us, students of america in law of the world. so that is a silver lining. the crime of obstruction of justice is one in englo-american law. and of course we trace our roots -- kim, how long do you