. >> cnn's legal analyst and former white house norm eisen is here.ructive but different than how most trump people deal with lawsuits and pretend there will be an outcome that never happens but in terms of what we'll see here, i don't know if it happens this week. i don't know why the media is buzzing about it. do you think it imminent and what are the likely charges about? >> chris, thanks for having me back. it does seem charges are imminent. we've talked about this before. the storm clouds have been gathering a number of signs and now with this last chance meeting for the trump organization lawyers to plead their case to talk about the harm to the company, i think we can expect something whether it's this week or next week, it's coming. >> right. but one thing, norm. tell the audience about this. you know about these meetings. the reason i believe it wouldn't be imminent, imminent right after you meet with them, it gives prosecutors to chance to go to school on the defense and think about their charges and how they word things and think about thei

now, we have norm eisen, andrew mccabe and dana bash joining us.ask you the question that started all of our conversations tonight, which is have you ever heard of anything like this? >> no, and you know it is so easy now especially looking back and knowing more about the trump administration saying, this is just another norm-busting move by the trump administration. it's not. it's not. it was bad enough when we learned about the information that they were seeking from reporters. but to do this not just for members of congress, but from specifically members of congress who had been aggressively trying to investigate them, congress is first in the constitution, congress has the oversight, not the administration. and the fact that the doj was used in so many political ways but in this particular, unprecedented, as far as we know, remarkable way, i don't have words for it. >> now, the good news, andrew, as we discussed earlier, the people who were involved at the higher levels are still there. so they would have to cooperate with any internal investig

. >> cnn's legal analyst and former-white house ethnics czar, norm eisen, is here.how most trump people deal with lawsuits, which is to just fabricate the basis for them and what their rationale and is pretend there will be an outcome that never happens. i don't know what happens this week. i don't know why the media is buzzing about it. do you think there is an imminency? >> chris, thanks for having me back. it does seem that charges are imminent. we have talked about this before the storm clouds have been gathering, a number of signs. and now, with this last-chance meeting for the trump organization lawyers to plead their case. to talk about the harm to the company. i think, we can expect something, whether it's this week or next week, it's coming. >> right. but one thing, norm. and tell the audience about this. you know and these meetings. the reason i believe it wouldn't be like imminent, imminent, right, after you meet with them, is it gives prosecutors a chance to go to school on what the defense will be. and to think about their charges and think about how th

let's bring in norm eisen. back, chris. >> what does it mean and why doesn't it mean nothing except a little bit of a, i told you so, and for the record appraisal of what was true and what was not politically? why does it mean anything? >> the new revelations that the house judiciary committee finally got out of don mcgahn in the transcript that was released today demonstrate that the president's repeated denials that he wanted to fire mueller, have mueller fired, were false. it was a lot of new information that not only did the president very likely obstruct justice, mcgahn felt that he was on the verge, if he had complied with the requests from the president, he could have been prosecuted by mueller, he was so desperate that he went out, and felt he had to leak it to the press. he used words like crazy and out of control. here's why it matters. we've seen over and over again, the department of justice under joe biden is going to be fiercely independent. i think with this public transcript out there, they must

norm eisen is a great legal mind and you need to know here is a potential avenue. it could go this way, that way. that's legal analysis. factual analysis of what happened does not bode well for suggestion by speculation and i think that what i heard, i don't think. what i heard from these guys is it hurts. they don't want to hear 100 different architects and engineers tell them could have, should have, would have, this cracked, that cracked. the state needs to get with the feds, put together a team. get the answers, put them out and have accountability. these people deserve that and these piecemeal stuff isn't working. >> absolutely. >> right now task force three is all over that. we have three different task forces on that florida is blessed to have as many task force as it does. the best search and rescue people we have. >> you and i talk about how tenuous life is. when your dad died a few years ago and we talked, my sister died. i just before i came on the show, i got a -- i had a lot of folks at the house this weekend or whatever and i didn't see a text from my

joining us now is norm eisen. ambassador, great to have you here. read just a smidge of this transcript here. it has do with the president's ask that don mcgahn made a false statement with regard to what he was ask dochltd mcgahn was asked, if you had put out the statement that the president was asking, disputing that he ever asked counsel to be removed, he said, that statement would not have been accurate. >> well, john, good morning. brianna. >> good morning. >> you know, the testimony of mr. mcgahn, which i worked on when i was counsel for the committee that we pressed so hard for for the past two years was important because of details like that one. after the trump administration, it's hard to be shocked, but we should be shocked. this was this transcript. the chairman did the important examination. they wrung these new details out of him. we had a president who repeatedly instructed mcgahn to obstruct justice, to have council mueller fired. the president put himself at risk. and mcgahn felt he was at risk of being prosecuted. and to top it off,

norm eisen is a great-legal mind and you need to know. here is a potential avenue. could go this way, could go that way, you got to know that. that's legal analysis. factual analysis of what happened to this building does not bode well for suggestion, by speculation. >> yeah. >> and i think what i heard -- i don't think -- what i heard from these guys is it hurts. they don't want to hear a hundred different architects and engineers tell 'em, coulda, shoulda, woulda. this crack, that crack. the state needs to get with the feds, put together a team. take the time. get the answers. put 'em out. have any accountability that takes. these people deserve that. and i don't think this piecemeal stuff is helpful. >> but they're still looking. >> absolutely. right now. >> right now. >> right now, task force three is all over that. got three different task forces on it. florida is blessed to have as many task force it does. they are the best search-and-rescue people we have. >> you and i always talk about this. we always talk about how just tenuous life is. remember, your dad d