want to get perspective now from norm eisen, former counsel to house democrats during the first impeachmento'brien, author of "trump nation, the art of being the donald." so, norm, you raised a red flag, early on, about the emoluments clause and the former president. you heard what the judge wrote. the -- what do you make of where this has landed? of what the judge has, so far, decided? >> anderson, thanks for having me back. i think it's an important milestone on holding trump accountable. when you and i, first, started talking about emoluments, uh, in 20 -- early 2017 -- we didn't imagine it would take this long. but the rule of law, as slow as it is, is working. and there's no question that the constitution forbids a president from taking money from foreign governments, anderson. and now, finally, congress is gonna get ahold of his tax returns. that's an issue for when he's president. and we're going to see what the full extent of it was. i think we're going to have some pretty shocking, further revelations about just how much he was getting from foreign governments. >> tim, i mean, how