[laughter] >> laura: norm eisen. joining me is mark eiglarsh and mollie hemingway.e ing naughty there. in all this time, doesn't hillary warn there was a vast right-wing experience trying to take down her husband? we found the community. >> mollie: this article describes in detail part of the conspiracy to use law fare and worried this will give credence to all the times republicans have complained to take president trump off the ballot or bankrupt him or his family or put him in prison. it is not shocking to see aspect of conspiracy to interfere in the 2024 election, interesting to see who is involved. >> laura: you are winding down your week, mark, friday comes around, kick back and spend time with norm eisen, this group of legal pundits denyings it is a strategy to take down trump to send him to prison or derail his presidential campaign. it is telectual chat session about legal theory. >> mark: and it may be, i'm not jumping on your outrage bandwagon right now. if talking heads are getting together, what did you have to say? get it together and this conspiracy w

norm eisen investigated donald trump in his first indictment and literally wrote the book. dan goldman was prosecutor in new york and worked with the manhattan d.a. and trumps defensive -- defense attorney, but i wanted to start with the scene that unfolded in lower manhattan. that was both extraordinary and kind of ordinary at the same time. on one hand, the former president of united states faced the start of his criminal trial, which was historic. who knew we would get here? we were skeptical at times. it was almost surreal. helicopters tracked his movement as his motorcade left trump tower and cameras rolled while donald trump used his entrance and exit as a way of speaking past the courtroom and straight it to his supporters. that was all kind of different, not extraordinary, and a former president accused of falsifying business records. on the other hand, in many ways, what we saw was very ordinary. a guy facing 34 felony counts of the state court, as any defendant in this country is entitled to have. he walked into the same, dark, halls of that new york courthouse li

will honestly adjudicate the facts and if that happens, donald trump is in a lot of trouble. >> norm eisennk you for joining me tonight. >>> congressman goldman is standing by. he was a congressman and has worked with alvin bragg and todd blanche. we will get his reaction today one of donald trump's first criminal trial after a short break. >>> as donald trump's first criminal trial began today in new york city i couldn't help but think about the split screen the country is watching play out in real time. on the left you have donald trump, the former commander in chief sitting on the defense side of the manhattan courtroom. on the right, you have the current commander in chief, print -- president biden. over the next six weeks the contrast will be stark. we don't know how americans will digested but it will be quite a difference between a guy in the courtroom and the guy governing the country. joining me now is democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. he was an assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york and a former colleague of district attorney alvin bragg and do

let's talk more about this unprecedented moment with cnn legal planless norm eisen and michael moore, a former us attorney. thank you both for joining us on the eve of this incredible moment. norm, i want to start with you. you've been up against donald trump before. you advise the house democrats on how to go after trump in that first impeachment trial, you even written a book about how to prosecute trump what is your sense of this moment and how massive it is for the country? >> it's both something that we've never had before as a nation, a criminal prosecution of a former president and the most ordinary of events, thousands, tens of thousands of criminal defendants going through the motions. i'll be in court every day, including for cnn opinion, & i was there last week, alex and what i saw was this juxtaposition between the extraordinary in historic event of donald trump in the dock as you note, i've litigated against him before we looked at these identical allegations in the first impeachment. but also the ordinariness jurors being called jurors being questioned the usual rules, e

cnn, washington >> now for some insight into the trial, cnn legal analyst norm eisen, he's the editor the complete guide to the manhattan da's prosecution. he also investigated trump as counsel to house democrats in the first impeachment >> norm >> thanks so much for joining you wrote an op-ed all cnn.com this week talking about jury selection, the judge's questions tell us what the judge wants to know about potential jurors in this case? jim the judge wants to know if each of the jurors who is chosen can decide the case based upon the facts, the evidence that they hear and the law he wants to rule out anybody who will decide the case with disregard for the proof that they here because they favor donald trump or they're opposed to donald trump, or they have any other reason other than what happens in that courtroom? and if they might even shade a little bit to one side or the other he doesn't want them i've been criminal lawyer for over 30 years and i believe juries can and will do this however, as i wrote for cnn opinion, donald trump would like to get just one juror, one angry juror

senior fellow, norm eisen, author of "trying trump." so much to cover, dan. let's begin with the supreme court. i guess you could come up with one bottom line from all the hours of oral argument. doesn't look like there will be a trial this year. >> no, and that's the important question, the timing of this. what's clear from the arguments is that the justices are going to figure out some standard for what is deemed to be an official act, meaning the trump team has now waved the argument that there's absolute immunity, right? in the lower courts they were arguing that the president should be immune completely and totally for private and official acts. they've now said, okay, okay, we get it. that's not a viable argument. now, the question becomes defining where does the line get drawn when it comes to what is an official act? i think, a, that's going to take a long time for the court to died, and, b, after they decide it they'll probably send it back and that will be additional delays. >> i want to bring it to kate snow. it does seem that they will carve out s

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i want to bring in other experts to discuss as well a norm eisen opening statements are now set for monday morning, as you know, if you were on the prosecutors team how would you craft your argument? >> well, we've already seen a foreshadowing of what the prosecutors are going to do. i was in court all week and they kicked off the case by arguing that this is an important election interference matter that they structured a set of evidentiary arguments to preview what i think we will see when i'll be back there on monday, namely that voters were deceived by the payment to stormy daniels, that that was done to grasp presidential power to be elected. and then that there was a cover up and in fact, all those elements are in the technical building blocks for this felony falsification of business records because you need to have a criminal intent to conceal another crime for it to be a felony. and so they are saying criminal election influence alleged. so they're going to try to make it an important democracy matter, not just a minor hush money, pick a della, good point that jim schultz, you're

and any sad now, norm eisen is not a fan of trump that he kind of sunk back in his chair in his chin, went down and he looked like a beaten six-year-old. he said, the lack of control for a guy who's always in control has got to be tough. >> yeah, it's not just that he's always in control. it's his surrounds himself with an entourage of yes, men and yes women who tell him what he wants to hear, who praise him. he he always flux towards praise. he's never kept waiting. and the problem is this is a very controlled environment and he's, he's used to behaving like an escaped monkey from a cocaine study. and all of a sudden he has to sit sit there and sit there quietly and behave himself. and i think it revs him up and not misbehave more once he gets out of the question, no phones allowed. so that's must be he must be levers that, i think is really worth noting. one thing that donald trump did while in new york, while in manhattan, was go to harlem to visit the bodega where jose aldo was a guy working as a clerk there. he was the victim of a violent crime. he defended himself then 11 bragg

that's get some more right now with our legal analysts, carry cordero and norm eisen norm, what's your reaction? first of all, to this appeals court? judge rejecting trump's latest effort to try to pause the case and move it to a different location. >> well fit said to be expected. in fact, in my book coming out this week, trying trump about this case, i predicted that trump would attempt to use this action. it's known as a section two 30 motion. you go directly to the appellate court, not the trial judge. you say, hey too much pretrial publicity move this case of course, he was going to try it by my count. it's his ninth delayed wealth because he's very nervous about facing a jury on the he's allegations of election interference, but it wasn't going to work because donald trump himself is responsible for so much of the pretrial i'll publicity the judge also released a very detailed juror questionnaire today where jurors are going to be asked about dozens of potential sources of knowledge about the case and using that questionnaire and then that was interrogating the jurors in that cou

. >> and they have already helped save over 2 million pets norm eisen, jim schultz, and laura coates. >> they're all backed would be right now and norm, you've been inside that courtroom all week. take a step back for us. what have been your biggest takeaways and what stood out the most to you today? >> well, if i was struck from the moment we got to the courtroom with the forcefulness of prosecutors, the jury wasn't there yet. monday morning was supposed to be asleep. be a fair of some remaining evidentiary motions but they used those motions to present the case to preview the case for the judge and they did present it as an election interference case. it is not just a federal campaign finance that makes this falsifying business records of fence into a felony. they also pointed to the new york state election influence statute corrupt election influence statute& to tax crimes as well that trump was intending to misclassify the payments so they have belt and suspenders& duct tape to hold up their case. and then when the judge brought the jury and for the first time, he did a neutral su

all joining me now to discuss trump's failed delay tactics, is cnn legal analysts, norm eisen. ok. it's appellee time norm. it's called trying trump, a guide to his first election interference, criminal trial. thank you so much. much for joining us, norm. let's just start here trump's been rejected three times and three days. >> what do you think >> he thinking about all of this isn't unusual because it's pretty useful when someone tries again, a case dismissed that the judge doesn't dismiss it, correct? >> that is a normal circumstance, sara, i think what trump is thinking is that he faces a grave risk of possible conviction and a possible sentence of incarceration if he is convicted, of course, he's innocent until proven guilty the way that judge merchan the judge has started talking about the case is part of that parallel that is leading donald trump to this frenzy of failed delight tactics. judge immersion in his decisions on the case, but also in what he is going to read the incoming possible jurors starting on monday. he says, this is a case of alleged criminal election in

just saying that anyway, joining me now, norm eisen, he is a cnn legal analyst and the author of trying trump and a former white house ethics czar norm. i'm so glad that you're here today. i'm all for a movie reference. i happen to love the movie scarface. i wherever out, but shiino does frankly, i do love he makes a lot of comparisons for themselves. one of the things he continues to believe is that he is entirely persecuted and he blames judges and whether he saying hello to his little friend, the one he has now is recusal talk to me about the issue of recusal here, because the goal in trying to attack the judge's daughter to me is all about him trying to get out of having that judge preside over the case it's a little strange for a law and order candidate to embrace the memory of al capone. but it's even stranger. laura, to go back to the court when judge immer sean has already ruled that the activities of his adult daughter sure do not provide a basis for recusal he even went to the new york judicial epics authorities and he got a formal opinion and they said, if your daughter is no

i want to bring in our political and legal experts, including norm eisen, who is out with a timely, very important brand new book entitled trying trump. a guide to his first election interference, criminal trial. there you see the cover right there on your screen norm, let me get your reaction to this appeals court, once again, denying these trump trump requests. >> well, if you have to ask yourself, what is the source of this extraordinary desperation? i have never seen anything like this. two of these are lawsuits against the judge. and in my book, trying trump, i analyze where i think this this a frenzy is coming from. he stands a significant risk of being convicted and sentenced to incarceration, and he knows it. and the nature of the trial is has been expressed by the judge in what he's going to read to the jury, wolf, as being allegations of election interference. in essence so that is why the connection is here. 2016, allegations of lying to voters to manipulate an election. and then as a gateway drug to 2020, that's why trump is so alarmed in this extraordinary failed effort, kee

i want to bring in our legal experts right now, cnn's katelyn polantz and norm eisen are here and former trump attorney tim parlatore is here as well. and caitlin, let me start with you. i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro works. >> this is the bank through which the payment ultimately is going to be set up to be paid to stormy daniels from michael cohen, $130,000 to keep her story quiet. >> and what he's doing is piecing in new parts of the puzzle. the prosecutors want to be able to show the jury every step of the money and the effort toward paying off stormy daniels from donald trump's sphere. >> gary pharaoh is one of the people that

thanks in large perspective now, from former trump campaign adviser davidai urban and norm eisen, who investigated trump is counsel to house democrats in the first impeachment and litigated cases involving blinken previously, he's also the author of trying trump a guide to his first election interference, criminal trial david, you've been saying all along, you don't think the foreign president can get a fair trial in manhattan, is it that you just don't believe those 12 jurors and six alternates when they say that they can't be fair, fair. and, judge, the case in the facts hey, look, anderson, i think it's a tough it's tough situation, right? everybody believes, i think in their heart, they can be fair, but they come they come to this case with their own set of biases and and if you just look at the demographics almost eight and ten people in manhattan voted against donald trump so if you're, if you're one of those folks, i don't know how the jury breaks down, but i'm wondering who they voted for. and if you didn't vote for the former prime president i think you've probably come to th

. >> norm eisen? >> well, my friend, tim is dead wrong on this, george. we have survived 2 1/2 centuries as a nation without any president ever having engaged in this kind of conduct or needed to cloak themselves in absolute immunity for criminal prosecution. the safeguards are ample and multiple. the courts that the supreme court are at the head of can knock that kind of a case out right away. we should not be lulled into thinking anything normal is happening at this supreme court. both the delay that they've occasioned already moving much slower than comparable cases of national import, and contemplating this needless test put them squarely in the direction of cloaking donald trump in impunity, and making them, if they go down this route, both delaying further and creating this unneeded protection for their favorite candidate will make them complicit. they're acting -- the majority is acting more like donald trump's general counsel than the supreme court of the united states. >> let's turn to the trial that is already happening this year, dan, you've be

that they were influenced by donald trump's words all very interesting the context of all of this norm eisen, thank you so much. appreciate you for coming on >> coming. up for us shares of trump media taking a beating on walls through the former president, losing 1 billion on paper yesterday. that is something to watch the markets are about to open. after years of becoming much more republican president biden's campaign now says florida is winnable for them this new found confidence comes from and why abortion rights are at the center of that and the breaking news this morning is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu just responded for the first time. after the idf strike that. killed seven world central kitchen aid workers. and what he is really military's top general is now set if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst >> possible thing that could ever happen. >> my dad died doing what he loved >> shuttle columbia, final flight premieres sunday at nine on to go north is ready to conquer the roads >> there is a general in genuine >> feeling of hope i'm from people >> there is a >> le

he's considering their number of legal experts who say that's a terrible idea i was speaking with norm eisen who said that his lawyer should throw themselves in front of trump to prevent that from happening this is not a trial that's going to be on camera. the most received from inside hi, the courtroom or our sketches. >> but the perception of him testifying in his own defense, does that have political benefits well the political benefit is obviously why he's saying that he wants to do it, is that, hey, i got nothing to hide. i did nothing wrong. i'm happy to answer your question. so the political benefit of at least saying you'll do it is obvious. i'm not a lawyer, don't take legal advice from me. call shan if you've been in an accident, but i but i would just say it strikes me. is fundamentally dangerous to put them on the stand and put them under oath and after all, there is a reasonable chance he's going to avoid a conviction here. it only takes one juror, of course. and so you wouldn't want to put them in a position just for political purposes that would hurt the prospect of him actual

norm eisen, tim predatory. thank you both so much. i want to turn now to yet another huge development and yet another huge trump case, trump posting bond in his new york civil fraud case, enjoyment out to discuss shark tank. judge, kevin o'leary is off the chairman of o'leary ventures. gosh, it's been too long, kevin. i feel such peace, nice to see you how are you? >> i'm glad to be here with you. i've i've enjoyed this narrative with you. i must admit, and people have focused on it being some kind of a very partisan issue. you love trump, you hate trump. do like biden, you don't like him. i've never thought this case was about partisan politics. i thought it was about the law and the baseline by which we live in our economy. it's been so successful. i've always thought that was what was at stake and i'm glad we've maintained that narrative >> well, you know unfortunately or fortunately, people view the world through political lenses, especially 200 and days away from general election but when you look at what's happening right now he

hush money trial right here and manhattan with me, a cnn kara kara scannell and cnn legal analyst, norm eisen form you just watching the proceedings from inside. >> walk us into the room. what are you seeing? are the jurors who are waiting to be questioned still there. what's the atmosphere like gave it all to me? >> well, it was slow going this morning because human life intrudes on court proceedings. so three of the jurors from yesterday hadn't shown up, including two we're in the box for questioning. another one had flu-like symptoms, was sequestered out in the hallway. so there was a delay. we were supposed to start at 9:30 sharp. we didn't start at 9:30 sharp then the late ones started trickling in and we begin with the jury questioning. and sure enough, the first juror that we really got into it with turned out to be a case of potential bias how so? well, it started off promising lee for team trump and i could see them perching at the edge of their chairs because it's not that easy to get strong trope pro trump bias in a lean, let's say in manhattan jury pool, this gentleman worked in f