next to ed is major norm hatch. united states marine corps retired. an individual who held a ground-breaking position during world war ii. he was the first combat cameraman sent in by the marine corps. if you have seen a picture of combat on tarawa, you've seen a picture of combat in iwo jima and moving pictures throughout. norm had a piece in that. that's what we're going to be talking about this morning. i've asked both of these gentlemen to start off today's panel by talking a little bit of how it all started for them, where they were at the beginning of world war ii and how they got enlisted into their various services and also caught up in the units they are with. so ed, i'm going to begin with you if you could tell wrus it all began. >> all right, sir. thank you. incidentally, i'm a member of the band of brothers. if you read it, you know that we won the war almost single handed. and i'm a big hero. if you don't believe it, read the book. and i thank you and in fact, i'm delighted to be here this morning with you people. at my age, i'm delighted